"The Kingdom" vs "The Body Of Christ"

[garee]

what is God's plan

what are the sequence of events

please present scripture

His plan is to toss "death" according the the letter of the law . Signified by Moses (the Bible or that which is written ) Moses who is shown as not entering the new order. Death signified by Moses will not enter the new order. Dan is used in a similar way as the judge ( spirit of judgment) he also is shown not entering the new order.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Not in the oldness of the letter but according to the law of faith the unseen work of God working in us. Together they make the perfect law .Our savior, as the just and justifier of our new born again faith.

Apart form each other they provide nothing. No quickening power by which we could believe Him not seen.

 

[garee]

Did the Jews give up the Laws of Moses?

Did the Jews take up the cross?

Which Jews? All of mankind is under the law of God signified by Moses. Is a color chart necessary ? Dark or light flesh tone?

 

[rhern]

Which Jews? All of mankind is under the law of God signified by Moses. Is a color chart necessary ? Dark or light flesh tone?

Romans 7:4 (KJV)
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;

we are dead to the Law of Moses and we live by faith in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Christians are members of the Body of Christ.

 

[cuz]

His plan is to toss "death" according the the letter of the law . Signified by Moses (the Bible or that which is written ) Moses who is shown as not entering the new order. Death signified by Moses will not enter the new order. Dan is used in a similar way as the judge ( spirit of judgment) he also is shown not entering the new order.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Not in the oldness of the letter but according to the law of faith the unseen work of God working in us. Together they make the perfect law .Our savior, as the just and justifier of our new born again faith.

Apart form each other they provide nothing. No quickening power by which we could believe Him not seen.

so Jesus put death and life on us ? death by law life by grace
can you keep the law ?
has Christ keeped the law for you ?
are you still apart of the flesh that is under the law ?
are you in spirit that is in grace?
can flesh and spirit be one ? law and grace

rom8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

 

[rhern]

Which Jews? All of mankind is under the law of God signified by Moses. Is a color chart necessary ? Dark or light flesh tone?

I ask you again:

Did the Jews give up the Laws of Moses?

Did the Jews take up the cross?

 

[rhern]

so Jesus put death and life on us ? death by law life by grace
can you keep the law ?
has Christ keeped the law for you ?
are you still apart of the flesh that is under the law ?
are you in spirit that is in grace?
can flesh and spirit be one ? law and grace

rom8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Galatians 2: (KJV)

19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[JaumeJ]

was Jesus not the King of the Jews.

Like the Apostles and Our Lord, I will give you out of my knowledge of the Word, not numbers of chapters and verse since the original has none.

Read Paul-s discourse in Romans. Learn what Judah fully translates as, and that should be enough, but if not read Ephesians how we are called along with Israel to be heirs. We are of the religion ofthe Faith of Abraham taught by Jesus-Yeshua.

I believe we are all Israel and Jews by translation of eaach of the words for they are not names but in Hebrew a group of words displaying the character of just whom they represent.

 

[rhern]

Like the Apostles and Our Lord, I will give you out of my knowledge of the Word, not numbers of chapters and verse since the original has none.

Read Paul-s discourse in Romans. Learn what Judah fully translates as, and that should be enough, but if not read Ephesians how we are called along with Israel to be heirs. We are of the religion ofthe Faith of Abraham taught by Jesus-Yeshua.

I believe we are all Israel and Jews by translation of eaach of the words for they are not names but in Hebrew a group of words displaying the character of just whom they represent.

do you have scripture to go along with your commentary.

The King will sit on the Throne of David

Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

 

[JaumeJ]

Yes David, whose name translates as Beloved, is the son of Yeshi, or Jesse, which translates, My Redeemer. Just as our Beloved is the Redeemer , Yahweh"s redeemer.

Do you understand anything without need of having your substatiation from text, that is, the written code_ Have you no understanding from the HOly Spirit.

He allowed dthe Apostles one sword. Do you have any idea of what that sword represents? It is no secret, it is a two-edged sword that cuts down all enemies of the most High God.If the spirit of what is shared is not good enough, I am afraide volumes written will not help either.

 

[Cor]

Matthew 21:43 "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit
Luke 12:32 "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.

Matthew 21:43 talks about Israel
Luke 12:32 talks about the church age we are in now
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall on the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all nations, and Jerusalem shall be trodden under foot of the Gentiles, until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
that time is at its end

body of Adam
what body was you apart of before Christ? where are you from ? Adam right
Adam had works as well as a fallen man to feed and cloth till the ground
Adam came from dirt and went back to dirt so this is the body of Adam

Body of Jesus
Jesus came from spirit
works was bring salvation to the world
give gifts as you see 1 Corinthians 12:27 gets into

a kingdom is a system like a government to protect and have order
the body seeks out people for Christ teaching preaching healing saving breaking bread fellowship

from what ive learned the two are not the same


blessings

Hi, I wish you explain where I could understand...Why cant the body be part of the kingdom?

 

[rhern]

Hi, I wish you explain where I could understand...Why cant the body be part of the kingdom?

Jesus sacrifice was once and for all the cleansing required to be pure enough to be in the presence of God.

Think about it when God sees a christian cover with the blood of Jesus there is no sin. Jesus cleansed everything.

They Jews continued to follow the law of Moses.

Acts 21:20
And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

The Jews get the Kingdom but Christian are the body of Christ Christ is the head.

 

[rhern]

The Kingdom is promised to Israel.

The Body of Christ is for the Christians..

 

[Scribe]

This is considered one of the best books every written on the subject of the Kingdom of God in scripture.

Get it for free while you can. It is a $25 book on Amazon. It is not in the public domain but you can get the complete pdf version of the book free at the link below.

The Presence of the Future; The Eschatology of Biblical Realism, by George Eldon Ladd.

https://korycapps.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/g-ladd-presence-of-the-future.pdf

 

[Guojing]

This is considered one of the best books every written on the subject of the Kingdom of God in scripture.

Get it for free while you can. It is a $25 book on Amazon. It is not in the public domain but you can get the complete pdf version of the book free at the link below.

The Presence of the Future; The Eschatology of Biblical Realism, by George Eldon Ladd.

https://korycapps.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/g-ladd-presence-of-the-future.pdf

Ahh the moment I saw that Gordon Fee endorsed that book, you can tell what is the general content inside.

 

[Scribe]

Ahh the moment I saw that Gordon Fee endorsed that book, you can tell what is the general content inside.

I don't know what that means. Thousands of scholars have endorsed it. You will start to notice it now in bibliographies in many Bible reference books that you read in the future.
George Eldon Ladd was not Pentecostal if that is what you were thinking.

George Eldon Ladd was a Baptist minister and professor of New Testament exegesis and theology at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California, known in Christian eschatology for his promotion of inaugurated eschatology and "futuristic post-tribulationism."
From wikipedia

That being said, the book above is a about every scripture in the Bible on the Kingdom of God and it is a very thorough work that requires patience and two or three readings to appreciate as it is directed toward theologians and scholarly audience. It does a great job of making you aware of All of the scriptures on the subject so that you are able to reconcile and comprehend the right now application and the future application of the promised kingdom of God.

I lean toward a pre trib view but there is much more to the topic of the Kingdom of God than the tribulation or the timing of the 2nd coming and that is not the focus of the book.

 

[rhern]

This is considered one of the best books every written on the subject of the Kingdom of God in scripture.

Get it for free while you can. It is a $25 book on Amazon. It is not in the public domain but you can get the complete pdf version of the book free at the link below.

The Presence of the Future; The Eschatology of Biblical Realism, by George Eldon Ladd.

https://korycapps.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/g-ladd-presence-of-the-future.pdf

This is a very good book.

It describes the Kingdom in great detail.

But it does not mention a word about the cleansing blood of the Lamb

It doesn't mention the power of the cross.....

1 Corinthians 1:18 [Full Chapter]
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

But the most important thing is that it doesn't mention:

The Body of Christ and the people who are members; Jesus is the head.

it's a good read but it's one sided

...

 

[Scribe]

This is a very good book.

It describes the Kingdom in great detail.

But it does not mention a word about the cleansing blood of the Lamb

It doesn't mention the power of the cross.....

1 Corinthians 1:18 [Full Chapter]
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

But the most important thing is that it doesn't mention:

The Body of Christ and the people who are members; Jesus is the head.

it's a good read but it's one sided

...

It says lots about the blood of the Lamb.

For example: On Page 325

This is again illustrated in the Last Supper. Jesus gave his disciples
a cup which represented his "blood of the covenant, which is poured
out for many" (Mark 14:24) ,47 These words take us back to the
founding of the old covenant in Exodus 24:8 and to the promise in
Jeremiah of a new covenant which God will make with his people in
the Kingdom of God, issuing in a perfected fellowship. Israel will
be regenerated, their sins forgiven, and perfect knowledge of God
effected (Jer. 31:31-34). The words of Jesus about the blood of the
covenant implicitly claim that this promise of the new covenant is
about to be fulfilled through his own death. However, this new
covenant is now established not in the eschatological Kingdom but in
history; but it nevertheless looks forward to the coming of the Kingdom.
In the varied traditiorr'" is to be found a central idea. Jesus
looked forward beyond death to the perfect fellowship of the consummated
Kingdom. "The drinking of the cup is a present participation
in that fellowship so far as it can exist here and now.":" The meal
symbolized the messianic banquet in the Kingdom of God; but it
also symbolized Jesus' death. Thus his death and the coming of the
Kingdom are somehow inseparable."

 

[Guojing]

This is a very good book.

It describes the Kingdom in great detail.

But it does not mention a word about the cleansing blood of the Lamb

It doesn't mention the power of the cross.....

1 Corinthians 1:18 [Full Chapter]
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

But the most important thing is that it doesn't mention:

The Body of Christ and the people who are members; Jesus is the head.

it's a good read but it's one sided

...

His view aligns with covenant theology.

So naturally dispensationalists will find it one sided

 

[Scribe]

His view aligns with covenant theology.

So naturally dispensationalists will find it one sided

I have read the book only once. I plan to read it at least twice more. I do not recall any attempt to teach either dispensationalism or covenant theology when I read it. This does not seem to be the point of the book.

 

[stonesoffire]

I see the kingdom of heaven as exactly as said, where God, angels and redeemed saints dwell above.

And from scripture, it’s said that the kingdom of God is within us. His Voice ruling, Holy Spirit empowering.

The body of Christ is both above, and on earth. All who are in Him.