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PennEd

PennEd

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eternally-gratefull said:
I am not sure what you mean. That did
Not change what I said. That said we are saved by grace through faith not if ourselves
that did not change what I said which is where that faith came from and why we can not boast
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By omitting the “that” in the passage, It does change in that instance, what Paul was referring to as the gift. Yes, in the broader context Salvation is a gift, but it says that accessing that Salvation is by the faith that God gifted us.

And the reason is because if that faith was of us, we could boast.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
You are missing my point bro.

Show me the scripture that God says to Adam and Eve you have a choice?

That’s all I’m asking.
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why do you keep looking for exact words?

You know your not going to find it.

Show me in the scripture where it says trinity?

WHen God gave adam the command, He in effect gave adam a choice.

1. Chose to trust me and live
2. Disobey me and die
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
by giving them the command he gave them a choice.

If he did not give them a choice, they never would have sinned
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Sorry,still not understanding...he did not give them a choice it was a command.

How would they have known what choice was?....who told them what it meant?

Choice is not biblical with Adam and Eve command is....command is definitely not a choice.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
I have eternal life because God drew and chose me....I am saved and set free from sin...it has no power over me..I belong to God am in his Kingdom..a child that belongs to God.
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you have eternal life because God so loved you he sent his son to die for you. And you believed in him, and were given eternal life (john 3: 16)

in this, you were saved.

Do you think you can lose salvation?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
why do you keep looking for exact words?

You know your not going to find it.

Show me in the scripture where it says trinity?

WHen God gave adam the command, He in effect gave adam a choice.

1. Chose to trust me and live
2. Disobey me and die
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Why because...command is not a choice...it is a command.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
Sorry bro....I don’t see that...he never gave them a choice..nowhere in scripture...he commanded them..it was a command not a choice.
Where am I arguing..that’s unfair.......who told them what choice was did God?
How would they have known?
I have asked this a few times..but no answer...I need to understand that is what I’m searching for...I have no understanding of some of what you guys are saying.
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so then why did adam sin if he had no choice?

how could that possibly have happened? If God gave them no choice. We shoudl never have had the fall of mankind, because adam had no choice
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
you have eternal life because God so loved you he sent his son to die for you. And you believed in him, and were given eternal life (john 3: 16)

in this, you were saved.

Do you think you can lose salvation?
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I have eternal life because God chose and drew me......I will be with the Lord for eternity......and quite frankly I can’t wait!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PennEd said:
By omitting the “that” in the passage, It does change in that instance, what Paul was referring to as the gift. Yes, in the broader context Salvation is a gift, but it says that accessing that Salvation is by the faith that God gifted us.

And the reason is because if that faith was of us, we could boast.
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but nothing in that passage said faith was of us.

And nothing I have said claimed faith was of us

so now do you see my confusion?

I do not believe my faith in God came from myself..

Yet I keep being told because I believe I was saved by grace through faith I am earning my salvation and boasting in self.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
Sorry,still not understanding...he did not give them a choice it was a command.

How would they have known what choice was?....who told them what it meant?

Choice is not biblical with Adam and Eve command is....command is definitely not a choice.
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when your dad says be home at ten.

do you not realise you have a choice?
 
Magenta

Magenta

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jackrosie said:
Sorry,still not understanding...he did not give them a choice it was a command.

How would they have known what choice was?....who told them what it meant?

Choice is not biblical with Adam and Eve command is....command is definitely not a choice.
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We are commanded not to bear false witness and yet people do. Do they choose to?

We are commanded not to covet and yet people do. Do they choose to?

We are commanded not to commit adultery, and yet people do. Do they choose to?

We are commanded not to do other things as well, and people still choose to do otherwise.

Acting like people do not have a choice in the face of commands to the contrary shows blindness to the truth of the matter.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
I have eternal life because God chose and drew me......I will be with the Lord for eternity......and quite frankly I can’t wait!
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This is not the only reason you have eternal life. If you think this is true, I do not agree with you..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
This is not the only reason you have eternal life. If you think this is true, I do not agree with you..
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She says she did not choose while claiming she was not forced. Something is not quite right, there.

It is painful to bear witness to such confusion.
 
jackrosie

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eternally-gratefull said:
so then why did adam sin if he had no choice?

how could that possibly have happened? If God gave them no choice. We shoudl never have had the fall of mankind, because adam had no choice
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Did Adam know what sin was?....I see it so different from you and others bro....Adam was given a command God Never gave him a choice.he chose to go against the command

Anyway bro..I have no more to say on this....leave you to it.....
Magenta said:
We are commanded not to bear false witness and yet people do. Do they choose to?

We are commanded not to covet and yet people do. Do they choose to?

We are commanded not to commit adultery, and yet people do. Do they choose to?

We are commanded not to do other things as well, and people still choose to do otherwise.

Acting like people do not have a choice in the face of commands to the contrary shows blindness to the truth of the matter.
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You have completely changed the subject.

Show me where I said what you said I said?.
You accused me falsely.....otherwise you show me where I said what you said I said.

In a word “You Can’t”
 
Magenta

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jackrosie said:
You have completely changed the subject.

Show me where I said what you said I said?.
You accused me falsely.....otherwise you show me where I said what you said I said.
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I have not changed the subject, neither in part nor completely, so you are falsely accusing me.
 
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She said God chooses and he draws who he saves.....scripture a few pages back..no confusion here on my eternal life,....smile.
 
PennEd

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eternally-gratefull said:
but nothing in that passage said faith was of us.

And nothing I have said claimed faith was of us

so now do you see my confusion?

I do not believe my faith in God came from myself..

Yet I keep being told because I believe I was saved by grace through faith I am earning my salvation and boasting in self.
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I don’t remember telling you that. Sorry if it came off that way.
 
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Magenta said:
You have shown your confusion repeatedly, and said as much as well, even right here in the post I am quoting. Now you wish to silence me with your unsubstantiated claims, while you vainly grasp at straws even though I have never attempted to silence you.

Perhaps it is you who needs to take a break.


We know that those who are unsaved die the second death. We know the unsaved are destined "to hell."

Saying otherwise denies the plain words of Scripture.
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I was given the same instruction. LOL ;)
 
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