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Magenta

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Well Adam was born perfect so that was a good start.
Adam was neither born, nor perfect. We are perfected in Christ alone.

Also, Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world.

That was a good "start."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Well Adam was born perfect so that was a good start. When we are in heaven we will be perfect, thus you imply we don't need God in heaven IMO.
he was not born he was created, he caused the fall and everyone else is born dead since, that was gods plan so all could be made alive

Psalm 5:5 you hate all workers of iniquity.
How can a holy God love evil? Can He deny HIMSELF? Does God love demons and Satan because He is love ... Maybe I am wrong but I don't see God this way.

Aside: when one looks up the definition of HATE one doesn't find LOVE LESS. ...i've seen the Hebrew translation.. Hate means hate. Besides, in an earlier post today you said God loves everyone the same, which is IT? Something about God's not being God if He doesn't love everyone the same. Not exactly sure, I can find it if you like.
so I pray you hate your parents. And your children and wife and yes even self

otherwise you have no hope


Luke 14:26
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
 
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I don't see how answering will determine anything...but, because the rescuer loved one person and the other murdered his son and the rescuer wanted justice.

By the way, hi.
This analogy falls flat on it's face and is a misleading collation....

For God so loved the Kosmos, that he gave his only begotten Son.....

God would have ALL MEN to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

There is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not

WHILE WE WERE DEAD IN TRESPASSES and SINS IT SAID......!!!!

This Calvinistic farse is sickening and false too boot!
 
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Well,if God is the cause of your faith then it is not a work of man. If man is the cause of his faith it is man's work and therefore man is saved by works.

Dictionary definition of work...an effect made for a purpose.
Semantics
 
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I believe God called me and drawn me through his word. I heard it preached that whosoever believes on Jesus shall be saved. God began convicting me and dealing with my heart, so I took that step and accepted Jesus into my life. I don't feel like he forced me to do this, but gave me a choice. He has changed my heart and I am confident that I have salvation through the blood of the lamb that was shed for all men who would believe and accept him.
This is exactly how it was for me, too.
I felt I had the choice.
And once I made the choice the change was instant and obvious.
 
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I don't get what you are trying to convey here.

Are you saying the rescuer only loved the person who did not murder his son?
Bill......Calvinism says GOD LOVES man A and he gets to enter the proverbial pearly gates and man B is sol and God chooses him to burn in hell....

The Bible says God loves ALL MEN, DIED FOR ALL MEN and would have ALL MEN be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.....and God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked!
 
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Doesn't the one rescued have to a least accept the help offered in order to be saved?

I am thinking in terms of a lifesaver being thrown, while maybe you are proposing something different?
This analogy can be taken further.....does the man unconscience on the sidewalk from a heart attack and not breathing help the rescuers do CPR, use the defibrillator and then resuscitate themselves?

Hahah

At the end of the day, God has done everything possible to secure our salvation.....however....by faith we must acknowledge the truth of our state and what Christ has done.
 

preacher4truth

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There is no partiality with God. Romans 1.
That's not in Romans 1. It's in Romans 2:11 and the context is about how all will be judged. It is about those who do good to be accepted by God (which is proven an impossibility in chapter 3) or those who do evil (that's the entire world.)

Paul proves that none can do good to be accepted by God in Romans 3, that all are under condemnation, all have sinned, 3:23 and under this condemnation there is no distinction; 3:22 -- all are in the same boat, the whole world is guilty before God; 3:19.

You're in the wrong chapter and out of context. It doesn't refute the fact that God elects whom he wills, grants faith to whom he wills according to his purpose, counsel and will, and passes over others, not extending them mercy, Romans 9:16-20. Thherefore the verse you've alluded to you've misused and misapplied, and had the wrong chapter altogether.

And that isn't favoritism, it isn't showing partiality, it's called grace, of which God is entitled to grant to whomsoever he wills, or it isn't grace at all since he grants it based on nothing good in them, it is all according to his will to do so. 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.

@Rosemaryx you're growing in your faith, it is exciting to see. Your post is on target, concise, Biblical.
 
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The purpose of the rescuer is to save that which is dead. Both people are prety much dead, if not rescued they will die

All men are basically dead, if they are not rescued. they will die dead, and suffer the second death.

I am answering you with the illustration. I am not sure why you are against it..
We were DEAD in trespasses and sins...... <--Ephesians