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biker said:
9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.
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Solomon absolutely turned his back on God but God is also merciful and compassionate and is not willing for anyone to perish but to have eternal life. I would have to say that the eternal spiritual state of Solomon is unknown at this time. I don't believe that the bible ever stated explicitly that a certain individual was going to spend an eternity in hell but only that the lake of fire is the place that unrepentant sinners will go after they are judged.
 
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EleventhHour said:
You can obey the law all you want, but when you do you exclude Grace.

Grace and Law do not mix.

‘But you go and figure out what this means: I will have mercy, and not sacrifice. No man sews a piece of new cloth on an old garment, or the patch will shrink and the tear will be worse. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles or the bottles break and the wine runs out and the bottles are ruined, but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are saved’ (Matthew 9:14-17).

Do you obey all of the Law?
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Once again, you missed my point entirely!
 
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26 For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,

27 but a certain fearful waiting for judging and fiery jealousy, about to be eating the hostile."

28 Anyone repudiating Moses' law is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

29 Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?


It begins by if we choose to sin

Then it shows what happens under Moses Law

Then it shows what happens under the New Covenant of Christ


And you turned it all into the LAW!

Insanity!
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One last time

the whole book is about law

if you can’t see that I can’t help you
 
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EleventhHour said:
And do you keep all of the law?
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Yes.

Like this:

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summarized in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. 10 Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

That's how Christ nailed the law to the cross!
 
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tourist said:
Solomon absolutely turned his back on God but God is also merciful and compassionate and is not willing for anyone to perish but to have eternal life.
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And Solomon likely would have believed the gospel when Christ went unto the dead and preached unto him/them (1 Peter 4:6).
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Yes.

Like this:

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summarized in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. 10 Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

That's how Christ nailed the law to the cross!
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And Jesus fulfilled the Law.
 
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preacher4truth said:
I'm still waiting for you to answer:

When you had me on ignore, you were busy slinging insults and callow name calling at me.

Right? Do you realize how very callow that is? In fact I called you on it publicly. Own up. Why not admit and answer what I said you've done. Own it, and be a man. You were doing that, right? We weren't even in dialog, but you were still doing it, right? Right? It was callow too, correct? Answer that like a man.

Now to your accusations:

Slander? Really? Do you know what the meaning of that is? It means to make lies about a person. Now, give me some proof of the accusation or put an end to it. Deal?

I mean, actually offer some proof, not just another one of your posts accusing without evidence. Since my slander is "so deep" it should be very easy to prove it. Prove it.



I considered taking the high road, and not post your words. Don't push me, I'm trying to be Christian about it, and not prove you wrong. OK?

Now, I do have your quotes that prove:

1) I am not lying as you've stated.

2) That you do in fact teach what I said. That's why I kept posting your teachings, and finally got you to deny it as I had thought you would.

There was and is no reason for me to lie about what you teach. Why would I? My attempt is to get you to see your teachings equal merited favor.

By the way, you've falsely accused me of being chosen because I think I'm special, so that's why I am elected. That's an asinine accusation and is of course baseless.

I don't teach that. I've given you biblical answers proving it, and I adhere to unconditional election, which is further proof. Yet you overlook all that and don't have any decency to accept the fact I do not believe what you say I believe.

The very text of 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 proves and states my position, which I got from Scripture. There is no reason for God to choose anyone, other than his own purpose, counsel and will. I didn't merit it, as in your teaching, because God saw I'd choose. But of course you overlooked all the Biblical reasons I gave for my position, and instead of accepting hat came right back accusing, insulting, lying about my beliefs, putting words in my mouth.

Right? Isn't that what you did? Of course it is. Own it and man up.



More insults. I've offered none. You're correct, I am a nobody. The thing is that kind of behavior is what it is and I called you on it.



I sit here and scream? Wow. LOL!


Of course I called out DC. What I said is true, and, well, he is proving it is still true.

Once again: Provide the evidence I do all these things. All you are doing is repeating unsubstantiated accusations, over, and over, and over. Provide the proof.

Yes, I was put on time out for calling out your behavior and the behavior of DC. That doesn't mean what I said was untrue, it just means they put me in time out, and to me totally worth it. I assumed a price may have to be paid, but I wanted to call out your behavior nonetheless.

Why put you on ignore? I want to see what you say and teach.
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A big ramble

and not one prove where I have lied,

your your worse enemy man,
oh and ps, I did not call you names, I called you out. And I continue to do the same right now

its funny how someone not even part of this conversation sees what you do, it appears you do not just do it in this thread

thats speaks volumes

i still await you proving me a liar.
or are you just going to ramble to try to defend yourself?
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
And Solomon likely would have believed the gospel when Christ went unto the dead and preached unto him/them (1 Peter 4:6).
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Yes, after Jesus died He preached to the spirits in prison for 3 days. Now, a day in the eyes of the Lord is like a 1000 years and a 1000 years a day. Jesus was there for a long time. It would be absolutely pointless to preach to a person whose final destination was already determined to be the lake of fire.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
A big ramble
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Provide the evidence where I slandered. I'm waiting. You said it is very deep. Should be really easy to find then, so, post it, or, end it.

Own the fact that you, with me on ignore hurled insults, name calling, in a very callow manner.

Right? Own it and be a man.

The proof is there, very easy to find, others saw it. And you want to point the finger about me being in time out?
 
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