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More ad hominem?
So in order for you to continue your false accusations you avoid Scripture, avoid what I said, avoid the biblical case I gave, then add to what I said? Got it.
Now, what texts did I use wherein I affirm my position? Where in those texts does it show I'm special? Address the texts instead of the ad hominem.
To the contrary in unconditional election, which I adhere to, it teaches the opposite of special. That and we do not know why God chose us other than according to his purpose, counsel and will, Ephesians 1, and we don't know why others are not. None are deserving, none are special.
Now, your belief shows you're special since you teach God chose you because he saw you'd choose him. That's merit, not grace.
So in order for you to continue your false accusations you avoid Scripture, avoid what I said, avoid the biblical case I gave, then add to what I said? Got it.
Now, what texts did I use wherein I affirm my position? Where in those texts does it show I'm special? Address the texts instead of the ad hominem.
To the contrary in unconditional election, which I adhere to, it teaches the opposite of special. That and we do not know why God chose us other than according to his purpose, counsel and will, Ephesians 1, and we don't know why others are not. None are deserving, none are special.
Now, your belief shows you're special since you teach God chose you because he saw you'd choose him. That's merit, not grace.
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Well there are three options.
Never saved to begin with... you want to tell @Lightskin that feel free.. but you would be wrong since we would have to state King David was not saved... you want to make that judgement?
Sin can out bound grace... wrong
Salvation can be lost.... wrong again.
Never saved to begin with... you want to tell @Lightskin that feel free.. but you would be wrong since we would have to state King David was not saved... you want to make that judgement?
Sin can out bound grace... wrong
Salvation can be lost.... wrong again.
Re: Fastfredy0 said: What does this have to do with Satan not believing he is a sinner ?????
Yes, Satan is the ring leader to the unsaved.
That does not mean that Satan's thoughts are their thoughts or vise versa. If you can offer a scripture to disprove this, bring it on.
Yes, Satan is the ring leader to the unsaved.
That does not mean that Satan's thoughts are their thoughts or vise versa. If you can offer a scripture to disprove this, bring it on.
Hmmmm ... a prevenient grace argument.
The old God gave me Libertarian Free Will argument.
Libertarian free will means that our choices are free from the determination or constraints of human nature and free from any predetermination by God. Libertarian freedom is essential for moral responsibility, for if our choice is determined or caused by anything, including our own desires, they reason, it cannot properly be called a free choice. Libertarian freedom is, therefore, the freedom to act contrary to one's nature, predisposition and greatest desires. Responsibility, in this view, always means that one could have done otherwise.
Free means uncaused which contradicts the Law of Causality. (Every effect has a cause)
There are two problems with Libertarian free will.
The old God gave me Libertarian Free Will argument.
Libertarian free will means that our choices are free from the determination or constraints of human nature and free from any predetermination by God. Libertarian freedom is essential for moral responsibility, for if our choice is determined or caused by anything, including our own desires, they reason, it cannot properly be called a free choice. Libertarian freedom is, therefore, the freedom to act contrary to one's nature, predisposition and greatest desires. Responsibility, in this view, always means that one could have done otherwise.
Free means uncaused which contradicts the Law of Causality. (Every effect has a cause)
There are two problems with Libertarian free will.
- On the one hand, if we make our choices strictly from a neutral posture, with no prior inclination, then we make choices for no reason. If we have no reason for our choices, if our choices are utterly spontaneous, then our choices have no moral significance. If a choice just happens,--it just pops out, with no rhyme or reason for it—then it cannot be judged good or bad. When God evaluates our choices, he is concerned about our motives. (consider Genesis 50:20)
- The second problem this popular view faces is not so much moral as it is rational. If there is no prior inclination, desire, or bent, no prior motivation or reason for a choice, how can a choice even be made? If the will is totally neutral, why would it choose the right or the left? If is something like the problem encountered by Alice in Wonderland when she came to a fork in the road. She did not know which way to turn. She saw the grinning Cheshire cat in the tree. She asked the cat, “Which way should I turn?” The cat replied, “Where are you going?” Alice , “I don’t know.”. “Then,” replied the Cheshire cat, “it doesn’t matter.” .......Consider Alice’s dilemma. Actually she had four options from which to choose. She could have taken the left fork or the right fork. She also could have chosen to return the way she had come. Or she could have stood fixed at the spot of indecision until she died there. For her to take a step in any direction, she would need some motivation or inclination to do so. Without any motivation, any prior inclination, her only real option would be to stand there and perish. Therefore, one must reject the neutral-will (free) theory because it is irrational.
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Exactly! He teaches that God chose him because he chose God. Since God saw he would do that he teaches God elected him because of it. That is merit, not grace. Again, grace is unmerited favor.
that whoever believes and sees him will have eternal life
god chose to save whoever obeyed the gospel.
its not rocket science,
if we must believe the gospel to be saved, and we are chosen to be saved, it makes sense that we are chosen based on what we do with the gospel,
My point Dear Dottie, is that in the post that EG presented, the scenario is of one drowning and needing rescuing. He was making a point, not an essay on drowning experiences.
And it happened to me too. My friend grabbed my hair and pulled me up to the deck after I had fallen in unable at the time to swim.
Not a pleasant experience at all.
And it happened to me too. My friend grabbed my hair and pulled me up to the deck after I had fallen in unable at the time to swim.
Not a pleasant experience at all.
