PRE- MID- POST TRIBULATION.... JESUS RETURN TO EARTH FOR HIS BRIDE!
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"biker, post: 4300041, member: 295736"]But there is a verse in Matthew 24 where Jesus says AFTER TRIBULATION ENDS HE RETURNS!
Therefore I have 1 verse and YOU have NONE![/QUOTE]
No, Gentile believers do not become Israelites. We share in the same blessings by having faith in Christ, but God does not see us as Israel.
Matthew 24 is referring to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and not referring to when the church is caught up. Until you understand that the Lord's appearing to catch up the church as being a separate event from His return to the earth to end the age, you will remain in error regarding your interpretation.
You continue to ignore the fact that the church cannot go through the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which make up the wrath of God. And you cannot say that they are not God's wrath, because it states that they are right in scripture.
Not understanding the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath and not understanding that Jesus already satisfied God's wrath on behalf of every believer, are two of the main reasons that people err by putting the church through God's wrath. Regarding this, God does not punish the righteous with the wicked.
The appearing of our Lord and our being gathered to Him = Church caught up and taken back to the Father's house (John 14:1-3)
The second coming = The Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom
At the gathering of the church, the Lord does not return to the earth, but appears in the atmosphere and calls up the dead and the living in Him, with the time of God's wrath which follows.
When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, He will visually and physically return to the earth and His bride, the church, will follow Him out of heaven riding on white horses.
So, the Lord's appearing to gather the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, will be two separate events with two different purposes.
Therefore I have 1 verse and YOU have NONE![/QUOTE]
No, Gentile believers do not become Israelites. We share in the same blessings by having faith in Christ, but God does not see us as Israel.
Matthew 24 is referring to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and not referring to when the church is caught up. Until you understand that the Lord's appearing to catch up the church as being a separate event from His return to the earth to end the age, you will remain in error regarding your interpretation.
You continue to ignore the fact that the church cannot go through the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which make up the wrath of God. And you cannot say that they are not God's wrath, because it states that they are right in scripture.
Not understanding the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath and not understanding that Jesus already satisfied God's wrath on behalf of every believer, are two of the main reasons that people err by putting the church through God's wrath. Regarding this, God does not punish the righteous with the wicked.
The appearing of our Lord and our being gathered to Him = Church caught up and taken back to the Father's house (John 14:1-3)
The second coming = The Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom
At the gathering of the church, the Lord does not return to the earth, but appears in the atmosphere and calls up the dead and the living in Him, with the time of God's wrath which follows.
When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, He will visually and physically return to the earth and His bride, the church, will follow Him out of heaven riding on white horses.
So, the Lord's appearing to gather the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, will be two separate events with two different purposes.
Why Not?
Adam was not a Hebrew!
No one was Hebrew until Jacob and his 12 sons.
And technically, Abraham was born in Iran/Iraq, so he clearly was no Hebrew and he is the Father of us all Spiritually!
Abraham is just like You and Myself, a Gentile!
But we were all ELECTED by God!
We are all the ELECT of God!
Really?! Well, scripture would disagree with you!
The 6th Seal:
They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us f from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it.
7th Trumpet:
"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. The nations were angry, and your wrath has come.
Seven Bowls:
"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed."
So, you have the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments referred to as being God's wrath. Therefore, I don't know how you could say "There is no WRATH happening during the Tribulation!" Which is funny, because the word tribulation is referring to that time of God's wrath. It's God's tribulation.
As you can see, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are referred to specifically as being God's wrath, the only way you could say that they are not, is by ignoring those scriptures or by your own assumption.
The 6th Seal:
They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us f from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it.
7th Trumpet:
"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. The nations were angry, and your wrath has come.
Seven Bowls:
"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed."
So, you have the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments referred to as being God's wrath. Therefore, I don't know how you could say "There is no WRATH happening during the Tribulation!" Which is funny, because the word tribulation is referring to that time of God's wrath. It's God's tribulation.
As you can see, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are referred to specifically as being God's wrath, the only way you could say that they are not, is by ignoring those scriptures or by your own assumption.
Always my pleasure and calling! I just hope that biker understands it. Many have no idea of the severity and magnitude of God's wrath that is going to come upon this earth. Understand that, it is Jesus as the Lamb who is opening the seals, which leads into the trumpets, followed by the bowl judgments. With just the 4th seal and 6th trumpet (a fourth and a third, respectively), this will equal the decimation of well over half the earths population which is God's doing. And that is not counting the fatalities that will result from trumpets 1, 2 & 3, nor from the bowl judgments. This is supported by when Jesus said, "if those days had not been shortened, no one would be left alive on the earth. It's God's tribulation/wrath which will cause all of this.
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