Not By Works

[BillG]

I heard ole Willie T passed away....guess when your number is up hey!

Sad news.

 

[posthuman]

You change “eternal life”
for OSAS changing the Bible.

i don't know about that. Jesus said the one believing in Him, He gives eternal life, and that even if they die, they will live.

did you know 'everlasting gobstoppers' have expiration dates? tis true.
so they are not really 'everlasting' -- that's a lie. a marketing ploy. a deception.

now, if Christ says He gives me everlasting life, and that life isn't actually everlasting . . ?
then has He become a liar?

so i don't know how you define 'OSAS' but for me, i believe His gift of life to me is real life, eternal life, not deceptive & lying temporary life. not 'fake everlasting' like gobstoppers.

 

[EleventhHour]

Willie T? Who is that?

He was a member for quite a few years.

 

[posthuman]

the conditions for salvation

be given to Him by the Father? ((John 6:44))
have it granted to us that we believe? ((Philippians 1:29))
endure in that faith in Him & His unfailing work? ((Hebrews 10:23))

or did you have a list of self-willed outward behavioral modifications . . ?

 

[posthuman]

First, it is simply a fact that some very nasty atheists have quit smoking and other sins. There are atheists who never gave into the temptation to commit adultery. Some never gave in to stealing. It’s true.

and yet they will be condemned in their unbelief, despite 'good behavior'
so it seems salvation is not by works ((**cough**)) but by grace through faith, right?

a mental and spiritual property, rather than a physical one.

 

[EleventhHour]

Do you walk worthy of the lamb who was slain?

Once again you refuse to deal with spiritual truths.

Your tactic......... point to the "natural" hoping you can make it contradict spiritual truth .. but it does not.

 

[cv5]

Your obedience is train wrecked by OSAS.

God never punished anyone for "exegesis" fails, only for disobedience.

By the way, exegesis is a great swelling word; you should study the Bible to find out what is connected to those who use great swelling words of vanity.

Here, I'll post it for you:

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption (2 Peter 2:18-19).

You ain't alluring me my friend. I'm standing fast on the word of God!

Buy your own standards that you have set, God WILL punish you for exegesis fails (eternally), as your form soteriology demands sinless perfection post salvation, because as you say the propitiatory sacrafice of Jesus only forgives PAST sins, but nothing beyond that.

This is your position and you have stated many times in many ways. And yes malinterpretation of the Scripture is indeed a sin, as you have missed the mark, And by doing so you stumble others.

 

[posthuman]

Use caution in using the "majority" as a measuring stick.

Broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat (Matthew 7:13).

In my estimation, OSAS is the broad way.

i think that the 'broad' path is one of a self-determined, self-willed righteousness of works.
this is what all religions teach, except for the Way we heard through the gospel -- and a salvation earned by the desire and effort of man by the merit of his outward behavior is diametrically opposed to the hope we have in the grace of God shown to us through His sacrifice on the cross and rising from the grave.

by far the majority of all beliefs among all peoples rests on man making his way to heaven via various strictures.
but only one, narrow, unbelievable word said, it is God reaching down to bring you up to Him; take the lowest seat, and believe.

 

[cv5]

Your obedience is train wrecked by OSAS

There you go again with your works-based obedience-based salvation.
You, Martha Mae and Cain make quite a team!

 

[Micaiah-imla]

your form soteriology demands sinless perfection post salvation, because as you say the propitiatory sacrafice of Jesus only forgives PAST sins, but nothing beyond that.

Not as I say, but as the scripture says:

[We were] purged from [our] old sins (2 Peter 1:9).

Jesus was set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood...for the remission of sins that are past (Romans 3:25).

 

[Micaiah-imla]

and a salvation earned by the desire and effort of man by the merit of his outward behavior is diametrically opposed to the hope we have in the grace of God shown to us through His sacrifice on the cross and rising from the grave.

Salvation is a free gift, not of works.

What you do afterwards is what the discussion is about.

 

[cv5]

Not as I say, but as the scripture says:

[We were] purged from [our] old sins (2 Peter 1:9).

Jesus was set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood...for the remission of sins that are past (Romans 3:25).

So you agree with my analysis of your soteriology? The prosecution rests.

 

[posthuman]

i think that the 'broad' path is one of a self-determined, self-willed righteousness of works.
this is what all religions teach, except for the Way we heard through the gospel -- and a salvation earned by the desire and effort of man by the merit of his outward behavior is diametrically opposed to the hope we have in the grace of God shown to us through His sacrifice on the cross and rising from the grave.

by far the majority of all beliefs among all peoples rests on man making his way to heaven via various strictures.
but only one, narrow, unbelievable word said, it is God reaching down to bring you up to Him; take the lowest seat, and believe.

e.g.

the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
(Galatians 3:12) ​

 

[Micaiah-imla]

There you go again with your works-based obedience-based salvation.

Like it says here:

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you (Romans 6:17).

See, not my works based obedience-based salvation, but God's.

You should listen to God and not be like the scripture says here:

But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction (Jeremiah 17:23).

 

[cv5]

Salvation is a free gift, not of works.

What you do afterwards is what the discussion is about.

According to you, it's sinless perfection and unfailing obedience from that point onward, a one-time complete sanctification event, no continuous washing of the Word necessary, no confession of sins necessary, and no continuous intercession by Jesus on our behalf necessary.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

So you agree with my analysis of your soteriology?

So you agree that you ignore the scripture?

I rest my case.

 

[cv5]

Like it says here:

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you (Romans 6:17).

See, not my works based obedience-based salvation, but God's.

You should listen to God and not be like the scripture says here:

But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction (Jeremiah 17:23).

You are a heretic and/or apostate. Confirmed. My work is done......time for breakfast.
God willing little fishing later.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No I don’t.

I say I have ceased from sin (1 Peter 4:1).

Which is the same as claiming no you presently have no sin

John says your decieved. End of discussion

 

[cv5]

So you agree that you ignore the scripture?

I rest my case.

I do not agree to that nor have I ever agreed to anything of yours. And it is entirely likely that I never will.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OSAS has already fooled you.

Your pride and Satan have you completely up the creek without a paddle. The sad part is you think your ok