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Posthuman supplies what you would or could not. It does NOT say that you quote which is why I asked you to quote it. You refused.

No one can see the REIGN of God unless He is born from above. Does not mention “born again Christians” as a type of person as you wrongly used it.

The Reign of God NOT HEAVEN. Does not say “see Heaven” but see the reigning of God. This does not give assurance of Heaven.

I asked you a question..do you deny that a born again will see the kingdom of God.

ANSWER THE Question???
 

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How about you stop with the false accusations you just make yourself look more worse, if that is possible, and stick to the topic at hand.

Salvation is secure. OSAS is the Gospel.

She has no substance in her doctrine other than to accuse us believers in the Work of God to assure us of our salvation. All she does it teach that we must "do" for God. Do you think for one minute God needs us to Do anything for Him? Pleezzzee.
 

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It is so much better to know Him than trust a man doctrine. I feel nothing but love for you my brethren. You deserve a better doctrine.
You are so pompous in your doctrine dottie. You feel nothing but "love" for those of us who are secure in our salvation and relationship with Our Lord? Pleezzzzz now that is downright condescending.
 

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In light of the falseness in today's world in its many forms, reading the falseness of a false teacher on this site makes the other daily stuff more difficult to take. This world is filled with so much deceit and lies today. The Word of God and the Work of God must be kept pure. Any accomplish I make for the Lord, is actually Him working through me. I cannot do anything for God except yield to Him and be His instrument.
 
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In light of the falseness in today's world in its many forms, reading the falseness of a false teacher on this site makes the other daily stuff more difficult to take. This world is filled with so much deceit and lies today. The Word of God and the Work of God must be kept pure. Any accomplish I make for the Lord, is actually Him working through me. I cannot do anything for God except yield to Him and be His instrument.


Amen Sis!!
 

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You are so pompous in your doctrine dottie. You feel nothing but "love" for those of us who are secure in our salvation and relationship with Our Lord? Pleezzzzz now that is downright condescending.
Her hatred of OSAS doctrine and expounds that in her conversation and responses to people.

She has only love for those who agree with her and attacks, slanders and is condescending to those who do not.

And she has the cheek to accuse others of exactly the same thing she does plus some.
Quick to ridicule but not quick to be ridiculed.

Nothing but bitterness in her heart I believe.

You respond to a question she asks and she responds with a comment that comes accross as something that she needs to wipe of her shoes:poop:

Very high and mighty is she.
 
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She has no substance in her doctrine other than to accuse us believers in the Work of God to assure us of our salvation. All she does it teach that we must "do" for God. Do you think for one minute God needs us to Do anything for Him? Pleezzzee.

The lack of substance is GLARING!

Absolute trollish behaviour!!
 
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EleventhHour

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Those who reject OSAS know they must maintain their relationship with God. But I wonder which of the choices we make to do so are odious “works” to the OSAS crowd. Reading the Bible? Is that an odious work they shun lest they be tempted to “boast?” What about prayer and hearing from God? Is that an idious “work” they shun lest they be tempted “to boast?” Or fellowship with other believers? Is that another “works salvation” matter they’re careful not to do? Because those are the odious “works” we do to maintain our relationship with Christ. Which of these do you distain?

I find this post very odious .... it has been REPORTED!!
 
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how can you claim to teach us when scripture plainly states you yourself are deceived?
How can people on these boards freely make these wild false accusations without any fear?

I never said “I have no sin”!

Can’t you comprehend a simple thing of ceasing from sin? Read 1 Peter 4:1. Sheesh!

You’re like a broken record stuck on 1 John 1:8; as if I’m condemned by it.
 
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How can people on these boards freely make these wild false accusations without any fear?

I never said “I have no sin”!

Can’t you comprehend a simple thing of ceasing from sin? Read 1 Peter 4:1. Sheesh!

You’re like a broken record stuck on 1 John 1:8; as if I’m condemned by it.
If you claim you have ceased from sin, you claim you Have no sin.
you trying to twist things to bring them back to your way is not goi got help you

if we (John included himself) say we have. (present, active indicative verb) no sin, we decieve ourselves.

he is not talking about past sins, so I suggest you get that thought out of you head
 
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I bring no views to the scriptures.

You should try it sometime; could be eye opening for you.
I always take scripture with no view in mind

thats why if you look at my views today and my views 3 decades ago they are quite different.

now can you please stop with this strawman. When you make these claims the same claim can be,ace against you, which makes the argument null and void..
 
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If you claim you have ceased from sin, you claim you Have no sin.
Preposterous!

A person who has quit smoking cigarettes can rightly claim to be a non-smoker.

But I guess in your judgment he is forever a smoker because he has smoked in the past.

Listen to yourself man!
 
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EleventhHour

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Preposterous!

A person who has quit smoking cigarettes can rightly claim to be a non-smoker.

But I guess in your judgment he is forever a smoker because he has smoked in the past.

Listen to yourself man!

No, what we are calling into question is your assertion that you have ceased from sin.
 
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No, what we are calling into question is your assertion that you have ceased from sin.
Who made you all knowing?

And why do you deny the scriptures that say a person can indeed be sinless according to biblical standards?

Psalm 4:4
[4] Stand in awe, and do not sin

Psalm 119:11
[11] Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Luke 11:36
[36] If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

Philippians 1:29
[29] For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake [because]

1 Peter 4:1
[1] ...he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin
 

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Not my doctrine.

You scrutinize scripture with a OSAS bias which is why you end up not seeing the truth.
that's weird; i would think that the one who reads 1st person present tense and decides it is 3rd person past tense is the one with bias.
i would think the person who reads "
it is no longer i who sin" ((twice!)) and decides it means 'it is i who constantly sins' is the one with bias.
i would think the person who reads "
i serve God" and decides it means 'i serve the Devil' is the one with bias.
i would think the person who reads "
in my flesh no good thing dwells" and decides it means 'i think my flesh is good' is the one with bias.


so you can see, of course i am skeptical. there are important points of your doctrine i still feel like i need explanation and justification for. to examine them, you know, and compare them with scripture -- as we are instructed to do :)


__________________________________________________________:unsure:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Preposterous!

A person who has quit smoking cigarettes can rightly claim to be a non-smoker.
yes he can, because he is presently actively not smokimg

but this is not about one sin, and you trying to derail Our conversation with this will fail because it does not support your point. In context of our conversation
But I guess in your judgment he is forever a smoker because he has smoked in the past.
Listen to yourself man!
my concern is not whether a person is a smoker or not

my concern it with 1 John 1:8. Where John makes it clear. if we claim to be presently actively without sin, we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us

I may not be presently actively smoking but that does not matter, John states I still have sin in,y life and if I deny it I am decieved

you deny it. Thus I must let you know what John said about you