Not By Works

[jackrosie]

It’s over. You are a false teacher, there is no truth in you.

And what about me..am I also a false teacher?.....I have been accused of that.....I am not siding with Dorothy...as I don’t read her posts any more because they don’t make sense..no offence meant Dorothy..

My point is I have been accused of being false why??
Because I tried to help Dorothy at one time?

 

[dcontroversal]

Because God was testing him....I see what you are saying...God was far to strong in Jesus to ever sin....that is my belief.

I also read you never said he sinned..so not sure why you said that to me.

This is a good verse....study the word emptied from the Greek....Jesus (the 2nd Adam) did/was indeed, like (the 1st Adam) was born sinless with the ability to choose and sin...BUT unlike ADAM which did sin, Jesus did not sin when TEMPTED to sin!

Study the word emptied from the Greek and then grasp that JESUS did not use his equality with God as God to his ADVANTAGE to over come temptation and sin. A real eye opener if you are open to it!

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

 

[jackrosie]

Like you, I believed in the impeccability of Christ.

But God need not test Jesus, it was for Satan to try his best, but because Jesus was pure gold, he had no sin in him (1 John 3:5), he could not be



So God Never tempts his children...it’s always Satan?
Sorry a last bit of your post is missing,I accidentally deleted it.....I am loving this fellowship now...it is great.

 

[dcontroversal]

Like you, I believed in the impeccability of Christ.

But God need not test Jesus, it was for Satan to try his best, but because Jesus was pure gold, he had no sin in him (1 John 3:5), he could not be tempted to sin.

This is contrary to what I posted in post 141462

 

[jackrosie]

This is a good verse....study the word emptied from the Greek....Jesus (the 2nd Adam) did indeed, like (the 1st Adam) was born sinless with the ability to choose and sin...BUT unlike ADAM which did sin, Jesus did not sin when TEMPTED to sin!

Study the word emptied from the Greek and then grasp that JESUS did not use his equality with God as God to his ADVANTAGE to over come temptation and sin. A real eye opener if you are open to it!

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Ok..thank you..I am getting a bit overwhelmed at the moment..because I believe I am being fed...God has brought me to a place of starting to understand...and it excites me.

 

[walknlight]

And what about me..am I also a false teacher?.....I have been accused of that.....I am not siding with Dorothy...as I don’t read her posts any more because they don’t make sense..no offence meant Dorothy..

My point is I have been accused of being false why??
Because I tried to help Dorothy at one time?

Why do you insist on taking everything personally?

 

[jackrosie]

Why do you insist on taking everything personally?

Have you seen this whole thread..what are you talking about..I was accused of being a “FALSE TEACHER”...how is that taking it personally......”ITS NOT”



Don’t try and fool me..I’m not stupid..taking it personally..what rubbish...I was hounded because I tried to help Dorothy..they made my life on this thread hell
I am all for a fresh start..but I will not have my mouth silenced when I speak the truth.in how they treated me.

 

[jackrosie]

I am a for a fresh start.....but please don’t expect me to go along with all of what you teach .....because like you...I also have the Holy Spirit leading me on this thread...and he Is giving me a lot of scripture at the moment.

I will question and challenge what I don’t believe...also I will question...as I’m here to LEARN. Not argue.

 

[Guojing]

So God Never tempts his children...it’s always Satan?

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

He test us, yes, but not tempt us to do evil.

In another scripture, it was said that God tempted Abraham (Genesis 22:1), but it was more like a test.

He already knew Abraham would be willing to sacrifice his son Issac, before he made the request. It was a test on what God already knew

 

[Guojing]

This is contrary to what I posted in post 141462

Yep, I disagree with you on this topic. Not surprised right?

 

[jackrosie]

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Yes ..I have also checked scripture......it is satan....I am starting to really understand what you guys are teaching....very exciting.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Sorry,I don’t believe Jesus could have sinned...he was God.

My dear sister, we can believe whatever we want to believe but if it is not Biblical.....

The Bible teach us that we are cursed because of Adam's sin. Jesus did not receive a free pass to that curse. He had to endure the same human emotions and challenges we all face.

 

[jackrosie]

People who teach that you earn salvation by working are deceived and not fully understanding what it is to be born again....

They need prayer for the Lord to open their eyes....I will not follow anyone who teaches that...I want the truth..which of course is GOD’ S WORD.

 

[Lafftur]

And what about me..am I also a false teacher?.....I have been accused of that.....I am not siding with Dorothy...as I don’t read her posts any more because they don’t make sense..no offence meant Dorothy..

My point is I have been accused of being false why??
Because I tried to help Dorothy at one time?

@jackrosie - I, too tried to help DM but, DM opposes a believer being saved in Christ ALONE - she basically states that a believer can NEVER sin if truly saved and if they sin they are not saved, they have fallen away from the truth and can NEVER be brought back into the fold.

If the believer sins, they are a dog returning to their vomit or a pig returning to their mire.

However, we believe Lambs do NOT return to their vomit nor do they wallow in muddy mire, lambs follow The Shepherd.

Sometimes lambs get lost but never in their vomit or muddy mire.

Teaching that if you fall away, you are lost forever is just NOT TRUE!

This hurts the flock. We ARE saved FOREVER IN CHRIST ALONE !

We’re children learning how to walk by the Spirit so we don’t fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

 

[jackrosie]

My dear sister, we can believe whatever we want to believe but if it is not Biblical.....

The Bible teach us that we are cursed because of Adam's sin. Jesus did not receive a free pass to that curse. He had to endure the same human emotions and challenges we all face.

Yes I agree...I am starting to understand what you say .
And you are right ,it must be biblical....
Thank you bro,x

 

[jackrosie]

@jackrosie - I, too tried to help DM but, DM opposes a believer being saved in Christ ALONE - she basically states that a believer can NEVER sin if truly saved and if they sin they are not saved, they have fallen away from the truth and can NEVER be brought back into the fold.

If the believer sins, they are a dog returning to their vomit or a pig returning to their mire.

However, we believe Lambs do NOT return to their vomit nor do they wallow in muddy mire, lambs follow The Shepherd.

Sometimes lambs get lost but never in their vomit or muddy mire.

Teaching that if you fall away, you are lost forever is just NOT TRUE!

This hurts the flock. We ARE saved FOREVER!

We’re children learning how to walk by the Spirit so we don’t fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Amen.....how do help someone like that?
I am not getting involved with Dorothy anymore...sorry Dorothy you don’t speak the truth.
So I am afraid I have to ignore your posts.
Because it is very upsetting and can lead to a lot of confusion..especially for a new babe...it can do much damage.
I will leave the elders to deal with you because I don’t know how to.
This is said in love.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Thank you for sharing.....there’s more happening than what we see with our natural eyes....we need the Holy Spirit to truly understand all things...

I was only a child - 7 years old when I played and laughed with The Lion....two years ago I had another dream....the Lion stood beside my bed, smelled me and profusely licked me...I was a bit upset in my dream and said, “Lord, I wanted the Lion to ROAR over me,not lick me un controllable!”

Jesus said, “He remembers you, you played with Him when you were a child.”

I cried...I too remember the Lion - majestic and beautiful! I began to laugh.....remembering our playful laughter..

Regarding the terrible auto accident and loss of life.....we don’t see the entire whole picture....only the physical realm, not the spiritual or heavenly realm......in the spiritual-there are demons arguing over the souls but, in the heavenly there is Jesus Christ that just simply stands and says, “He is mine. She is mine. I WILL take from the Earth what IS MINE.”

I am truly sorry for judging your post and had to take a moment this morning after I realized I was wrong .

 

[Lafftur]

I am truly sorry for judging your post and had to take a moment this morning after I realized I was wrong .

You are forgiven and if you ever mention it again, I will NOT know what you are talking about!

 

[Apostol2013]

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I think I know who you were before. Just can’t remember the name.

But I like the Bible I like to word. Very well I'm a good student which makes a good teacher I've been here a long time but my name is always been the same... I used to go into these little bible debates and they were pretty much endless Summ were over Sabbath day through many of The commandments but through deep study of the word of God and a long time of fasting and praying the words that came clear the interpretation became so evident studying the writing patterns of all the apostles and all the prophets and the very words of Jesus Christ gave me a clear pattern of how to read the Bible it gave me a clear view of the hermeneutics of the Bible to be able to interpret the Bible properly so I just stopped debating over these little matters I stuck to the truth of scriptures and proper interpretation to clearly see now it was all worth it .

 

[jackrosie]

But I like the Bible I like to word. Very well I'm a good student which makes a good teacher I've been here a long time but my name is always been the same... I used to go into these little bible debates and they were pretty much endless Summ were over Sabbath day through many of The commandments but through deep study of the word of God and a long time of fasting and praying the words that came clear the interpretation became so evident studying the writing patterns of all the apostles and all the prophets and the very words of Jesus Christ gave me a clear pattern of how to read the Bible it gave me a clear view of the hermeneutics of the Bible to be able to interpret the Bible properly so I just stopped debating over these little matters I stuck to the truth of scriptures and proper interpretation to clearly see now it was all worth it .

I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts.

Please don’t take this personally...I have a very enquiring mind.
I want to learn.
When you say you are a good student which makes a good teacher.....are we supposed to see ourselves that way and speak it out?
Is that not patting ourselves on the back?
As I have been told that...we aren’t the teacher God is..do you see what I’m saying?