Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

[fredoheaven]

You see it your way because you made your bed with it.

Scholars have backed J. S. Assemani's famous Bibliotheca findings for Centuries. If your Tennessee Hick wishes to oppose, I would only bet it is to make a name for himself and nothing else.

Umm, seems nothing is enlightening, you haven't proven KJV yet in error even in the trite argument of 1 John 5:7. That's it.

 

[fredoheaven]

Umm, seems nothing is enlightening, you haven't proven KJV yet in error even in the trite argument of 1 John 5:7. That's it.

But of course, i would not force my belief on the KJV on you. Time to move on Biker. Thanks

 

[jaybo]

This need to a further proving about your Coverdale and Geneva bible which were important in the translation of the KJV but why the Geneva is excellent and even better than KJV? This needs proving or else it is just an hearsay. Would you cite some of this what you are trying to infer? Thanks

My statement that the Geneva Bible 1599 is better than the KJV is a personal opinion only.

 

[biker]

Biker, we agree regarding the KJV, but if you're calling Bruce Metzger a "hick", you're out of line. First, he was the pre-eminent American scholar of biblical languages in the late 1900's. Second, he's dead.

I am calling the University of Tennessee a HICK!

 

[biker]

Umm, seems nothing is enlightening, you haven't proven KJV yet in error even in the trite argument of 1 John 5:7. That's it.

That's your opinion. And from the majority of what and where you post, it's obvious it's always just your opinion.

Even if you remove all that you want, the KJV still does not align with the Greek in verse 7.

the KJV:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

the Greek:
7 ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες,
7 that three are the witnesses,

And the Greek matches both the 78 AD Aramaic and 5th Century Jerome's original Latin Vulgate!

 

[biker]

Biker, we agree regarding the KJV, but if you're calling Bruce Metzger a "hick", you're out of line. First, he was the pre-eminent American scholar of biblical languages in the late 1900's. Second, he's dead.

Before taking into consideration that multiple Church Fathers proclaimed Matthew was written in Hebrew while Paul and Peter were preaching in Rome, several Scholars dismissed such notions to push their Greek agenda. By doing so, they discredited the Hebrew and Aramaic texts of the New Testament. Today we know different. Metzger was one of those proponents refusing to accept what Irenaeus and others claimed. As you have seen from many of my posts here, I am a proponent of the Church Fathers views. And anyone going against that I find not credible. If you can blatantly ignore the Church Fathers findings, I can blatantly ignore the tripe you try to push as your own agenda.

 

[Dino246]

Before taking into consideration that multiple Church Fathers proclaimed Matthew was written in Hebrew while Paul and Peter were preaching in Rome, several Scholars dismissed such notions to push their Greek agenda. By doing so, they discredited the Hebrew and Aramaic texts of the New Testament. Today we know different. Metzger was one of those proponents refusing to accept what Irenaeus and others claimed. As you have seen from many of my posts here, I am a proponent of the Church Fathers views. And anyone going against that I find not credible. If you can blatantly ignore the Church Fathers findings, I can blatantly ignore the tripe you try to push as your own agenda.

Take the chip off your shoulder, dude. I'm not your enemy, and I have no agenda to push. If you want a fight, you're at the wrong web site.

 

[fredoheaven]

That's your opinion. And from the majority of what and where you post, it's obvious it's always just your opinion.

Even if you remove all that you want, the KJV still does not align with the Greek in verse 7.

the KJV:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

the Greek:
7 ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες,
7 that three are the witnesses,

And the Greek matches both the 78 AD Aramaic and 5th Century Jerome's original Latin Vulgate!

Accordingly, the oldest written Aramaic is the second ce.AD Peshitta, your 78AD Aramaic is late and how can you explain this

 

[fredoheaven]

That's your opinion. And from the majority of what and where you post, it's obvious it's always just your opinion.

Even if you remove all that you want, the KJV still does not align with the Greek in verse 7.

the KJV:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

the Greek:
7 ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες,
7 that three are the witnesses,

And the Greek matches both the 78 AD Aramaic and 5th Century Jerome's original Latin Vulgate!

Your challenge is accepted with your 12 ce copy cat Aramaic. Let test how far you got.

 

[fredoheaven]

That's your opinion. And from the majority of what and where you post, it's obvious it's always just your opinion.

Even if you remove all that you want, the KJV still does not align with the Greek in verse 7.

the KJV:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

the Greek:
7 ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες,
7 that three are the witnesses,

And the Greek matches both the 78 AD Aramaic and 5th Century Jerome's original Latin Vulgate!

To think this is not my opinion.

 

[fredoheaven]

That's your opinion. And from the majority of what and where you post, it's obvious it's always just your opinion.

And the Greek matches both the 78 AD Aramaic and 5th Century Jerome's original Latin Vulgate!

he Peshitta (Classical Syriac: ܦܫܺܝܛܬܳܐ‎ or ܦܫܝܼܛܬܵܐ pšīṭtā) is the standard version of the Bible for churches in the Syriac tradition, including the Maronite Church,[1] the Chaldean Catholic Church, [2]Syriac Catholic Church[3], Syriac Orthdox Church, Syro Malankara Catholic Church, Assyrian Church of the East and the Syro Malabar Catholic Church

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta

 

[fredoheaven]

Your challenge is accepted with your 12 ce copy cat Aramaic. Let test how far you got.

This is a copy pasted articles: Refute it.
The Khaburis Codex (alternate spelling Khaboris, Khabouris) is a medieval era Aramaic manuscript of the New Testament. The Khaburis Codex is the complete Peshitta New Testament containing 22 books, in comparison to the Western New Testament canon which contains 27 books. The missing books are known as the “Western Five,” namely, 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Jude and Revelation.

The “Notes” section from a 2007 London Sotheby’s auction record state, “Correspondence from 1986 shows that the British Library experts had dated it paleographically to about the twelfth century, and this has now been confirmed by a research team assembled in America in 1995, as well as by carbon dating by the University of Arizona in 1999 (giving the date range 1000-1190 AD).”[1]

The American side of the story is confirmed on a personal website by James Trimm who was part of the “research team” in the Sotheby’s account. According to Trimm [2] he was commissioned in 1995 by Dan MacDougald [then owner] to date the manuscript and translate its colophon. Trimm and his team gave it a date of AD 1200. He goes on to state that in 1999 the University of Arizona used carbon-datedto date the codex between AD 1000-1190.


http://www.resurrecttherepublic.com/khaboris-codex-aramaic-scriptures-rtr-truth-media/

 

[jaybo]

Does this have anything to do with the thread's topic?

 

[biker]

Take the chip off your shoulder, dude. I'm not your enemy, and I have no agenda to push. If you want a fight, you're at the wrong web site.

That actually was not directed to you at all. It was directed to Metzger and just a more finished answer than before the first post.

 

[biker]

Accordingly, the oldest written Aramaic is the second ce.AD Peshitta, your 78AD Aramaic is late and how can you explain this

The earliest such Manuscript witness we have some knowledge of for The Aramaic New Testament, is from as early as the year 78 A.D., which is spoken about in J. S. Assemani's famous Bibliotheca, where it states, “At Edessa was a written Gospel, ancient but still legible. Not a single iota was erased, and it could more easily be read than many modern books, but by reason of its great age the first ten leaves had been lost. At the end was the following subscription: ‘This sacred book was finished on Wednesday the eighteenth day of the first month Conun (December), in the year 78 A.D., by the hand of the Apostle Achaeus, a fellow-laborer of Mar Maris, and a disciple of the Apostle Mar Adaeus, whom we entreat to pray for us. Amen.’” The Manuscript is said to have been seen in Baghdad near the river Tigris, on an ancient Church of the East altar.

 

[biker]

Where did I claim the other Codex were First Century?
I can go and copy/paste what I posted.
I said this one Codex is dated around 78 AD.

 

[Dino246]

That actually was not directed to you at all. It was directed to Metzger and just a more finished answer than before the first post.

This...

"I am a proponent of the Church Fathers views. And anyone going against that I find not credible. If you can blatantly ignore the Church Fathers findings, I can blatantly ignore the tripe you try to push as your own agenda."

Is not personally directed to me?

I find your explanation unconvincing.

 

[biker]

The earliest such Manuscript witness we have some knowledge of for The Aramaic New Testament, is from as early as the year 78 A.D., which is spoken about in J. S. Assemani's famous Bibliotheca, where it states, “At Edessa was a written Gospel, ancient but still legible. Not a single iota was erased, and it could more easily be read than many modern books, but by reason of its great age the first ten leaves had been lost. At the end was the following subscription: ‘This sacred book was finished on Wednesday the eighteenth day of the first month Conun (December), in the year 78 A.D., by the hand of the Apostle Achaeus, a fellow-laborer of Mar Maris, and a disciple of the Apostle Mar Adaeus, whom we entreat to pray for us. Amen.’” The Manuscript is said to have been seen in Baghdad near the river Tigris, on an ancient Church of the East altar.

Just to CLARIFY who AUTHORED the first Century ARAMAIC SCriptures in 78 AD

Thaddeus of Edessa - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaddeus_of_Edessa
According to Eastern Christian tradition, Thaddeus of Edessa (Syriac: ܡܪܝ ܐܕܝ, Mar Addai or Mor Aday, sometimes Latinized Addeus) was one of the seventy disciples of Jesus. He is possibly identical with Thaddaeus, one of the Twelve Apostles. From an early date his hagiography is filled with legends and fabrications. The saint himself may ...

• Died: c. 2nd century AD
• Born: c. 1st century AD
• Feast: August 5
• Venerated in: Assyrian Church of the East

He was 1 of the 70 Disciples of JESUS and possible replacement of JUDAS!

 

[biker]

This...

"I am a proponent of the Church Fathers views. And anyone going against that I find not credible. If you can blatantly ignore the Church Fathers findings, I can blatantly ignore the tripe you try to push as your own agenda."

Is not personally directed to me?

I find your explanation unconvincing.

Read the entire post: I said if Metzger can blatantly disregard the Church Fathers, I can blatantly ignore the tripe you try to push as your own agenda."

 

[biker]

Just to CLARIFY who AUTHORED the first Century ARAMAIC SCriptures in 78 AD

Thaddeus of Edessa - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaddeus_of_Edessa
According to Eastern Christian tradition, Thaddeus of Edessa (Syriac: ܡܪܝ ܐܕܝ, Mar Addai or Mor Aday, sometimes Latinized Addeus) was one of the seventy disciples of Jesus. He is possibly identical with Thaddaeus, one of the Twelve Apostles. From an early date his hagiography is filled with legends and fabrications. The saint himself may ...

• Died: c. 2nd century AD
• Born: c. 1st century AD
• Feast: August 5
• Venerated in: Assyrian Church of the East

He was 1 of the 70 Disciples of JESUS and possible replacement of JUDAS!

Interesting, WIKI, WHOM JAYBO claims is ran by experts, is claiming that Thaddeus who won Disciple for place of Judas after Peter cast lots, never existed hahahahahaha

Well done JAYBO, your own source is trying to destroy the Bible!