Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?
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You don't read verse 7 in a vacuum alone, you read it in context with vs 4,5,&6. Verses four, five and six are punctuated by verse seven as a synopsis. So it wouldn't make sense if he changed subjects and verse 7, which starts out with the word, for. Starting a sentence with the word for is similar to starting the sentence with therefore or even because.
Now if we assume that the scriptures are inspired by the holy Spirit, then we also have to assume that the holy Spirit understands language structures, and also understood the written language structures that would come in the future.
So what is left except that this is another example of King James having his own views shoehorned into the scriptures.
Now if we assume that the scriptures are inspired by the holy Spirit, then we also have to assume that the holy Spirit understands language structures, and also understood the written language structures that would come in the future.
So what is left except that this is another example of King James having his own views shoehorned into the scriptures.
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Let's look at if from Biker's Greek text.
So we have a guy who is GOING TO come, but he hasn't came yet, but he's coming through water and blood similar to the way ALL BABIES ARE BORN. So is this verse maybe about the baptism of the not yet come Antichrist? What are your thoughts?
Seriously are you really going to stand by this BLATANTLY heretical translation and asinine statement that the water is baptism? I would bet my last pay check that you will stand behind it.
Greek:
6 This is He Who is coming through water and blood and spirit - Jesus Christ - not in the water only, but in the water and in the blood. And the spirit it is which is testifying, for the spirit is the truth,
7 seeing that three there are that are testifying,
8 the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."
So we have a guy who is GOING TO come, but he hasn't came yet, but he's coming through water and blood similar to the way ALL BABIES ARE BORN. So is this verse maybe about the baptism of the not yet come Antichrist? What are your thoughts?
Seriously are you really going to stand by this BLATANTLY heretical translation and asinine statement that the water is baptism? I would bet my last pay check that you will stand behind it.
Greek:
6 This is He Who is coming through water and blood and spirit - Jesus Christ - not in the water only, but in the water and in the blood. And the spirit it is which is testifying, for the spirit is the truth,
7 seeing that three there are that are testifying,
8 the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."
Umm, not even the KJV used the "Father-Son-Holy Spirit', Father/Son/Holy Spirit." It must be paid attention that the Johaninne Comma as used in the KJV is the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
True, but you cannot split hairs when we discuss between Jesus/Son/Word since the same writer of 1 John defined Him in the Gospel of John.
Either way, the KJV could even appear to be claiming that the WORD and Jesus are not the same by having the WORD be in Heaven as a witness of Jesus on Earth simultaneously. But in the bottom line truth of the matter, we know that even in the form of Jesus, He was always the WORD. And since Jesus was on Earth, so was the WORD since the WORD is Jesus.
Fredo,
Do you believe the WORD and Jesus are different , not the same Being?
Because how verse 7 of 1 John 5 reads, one could easily conclude the KJV is claiming these are different Beings with 1 in Heaven at same time the other is on Earth. And then specifically calling out that the WORD is being a Witness to Jesus like they are different and separate individuals.
Talk about absolute Heresy to the ultimate max!
Hi Biker,
You need to fix first the antiquity of your so called Aramaic Bible. Even Critical Scholars Bruce Metzger who had literally examine the Yonan Codex had to disagree with the dating of the said Codex. Accordingly, the the codex is of 7th Ce. and not first Ce. AD as spoken by Christ and the Apostles and that makes a spot on.
https://www.sbl-site.org/assets/pdfs/Yonan.pdf
You need to fix first the antiquity of your so called Aramaic Bible. Even Critical Scholars Bruce Metzger who had literally examine the Yonan Codex had to disagree with the dating of the said Codex. Accordingly, the the codex is of 7th Ce. and not first Ce. AD as spoken by Christ and the Apostles and that makes a spot on.
https://www.sbl-site.org/assets/pdfs/Yonan.pdf
If i have to pay attention, your Latin Vulgate is somewhat misleading. When one speaks of the Latin Vulgata scholars are in reference to the Jeromes 4th ce works or translation and the fact is it has the Comma. http://www.latinvulgate.com/
55Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?quis est qui vincit mundum nisi qui credit quoniam Iesus est Filius Dei56This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth that Christ is the truth.hic est qui venit per aquam et sanguinem Iesus Christus non in aqua solum sed in aqua et sanguine et Spiritus est qui testificatur quoniam Christus est veritas57And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant in caelo, Pater, Verbum, et Spiritus Sanctus. Et hi tres unum sunt.58And there are three that give testimony on earth: the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.Et tres sunt qui testimonium dant in terra: Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt
My friendly advis/ce, need to check your info. first.
55Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?quis est qui vincit mundum nisi qui credit quoniam Iesus est Filius Dei56This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth that Christ is the truth.hic est qui venit per aquam et sanguinem Iesus Christus non in aqua solum sed in aqua et sanguine et Spiritus est qui testificatur quoniam Christus est veritas57And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant in caelo, Pater, Verbum, et Spiritus Sanctus. Et hi tres unum sunt.58And there are three that give testimony on earth: the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.Et tres sunt qui testimonium dant in terra: Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt
My friendly advis/ce, need to check your info. first.
I know you have, but have you ever thought about how lost people, the people of this world, views the Christian faith? I’ve talked with a few. They think Christians can’t agree on what God has said as they look on the hundreds of different versions of the Bible. And there’s a new one coming out each month. The Bible of the month club...lost people understand what the average believer fails to see.
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They make excuses. We know that all of the Bibles say the same thing (with exception to Mormon and jw and other cults that actually do change the message) That translation and interpretation does not change the word of God, and his spirit speaks to us when we read the written word, which is why the men who did the translation and interpretation of the KJV actually stated as much in the preface of their own work.
We know that though there are some textual differences (due mostly to the metamorphosis that language goes through over time) they don't change the message or the context.
Ironically us Christian's will point to those who disagree with us on some minor point and say, "your" the reason the lost don't believe, when we know thats not true. The truth is that they don't believe because they reject because of their sin nature.
That argument is a spin off of the Chuck Finney, revivalist, gospel sales pitch, decision theology, error.
We know that though there are some textual differences (due mostly to the metamorphosis that language goes through over time) they don't change the message or the context.
Ironically us Christian's will point to those who disagree with us on some minor point and say, "your" the reason the lost don't believe, when we know thats not true. The truth is that they don't believe because they reject because of their sin nature.
That argument is a spin off of the Chuck Finney, revivalist, gospel sales pitch, decision theology, error.
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