Wait, hold on...... Salvation is called a GIFT because we did NOT nor can we EARN it, or lose it.
Irrevocable too BOOT!!
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Irrevocable too BOOT!!
Well, I'm thinking "being saved" is more like being "born again" as a baby, I am FOREVER the child of my Father and Mother......no matter how much I say I'm not their child.......
Now, having a relationship with God is like marriage.......we're not to commit spiritual adultery and run after other gods.
Having a correct relationship with God and being born again are one and the same.
Well, not really.....being born again applies to salvation. Whereas, a relationship is what happens AFTER receiving the Gift of Salvation.
In regards to Psalm 41:9, David wrote this psalm about Ahithophel who was one of David's official counselors (2 Samuel 15:12). As David's friend, Ahithophel defected from the king and joined in Absalom's conspiracy. It is evident that there is messianic connotation given to this verse because Jesus quoted it in speaking of Judas Iscariot in John 13:18. Although David said mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, Jesus deleted this reference when He used it of Judas.
Hold on, @oyster67 - a dog and a sow are unclean animals they are NOT lambs. There are those that say they are followers of Christ, just like the disciple of Judas but are NOT. These unclean, unsaved WILL return to their very own vomit and mire.
A true born again believer is NOT a dog or sow, we are lambs lead to the slaughter (denying ourself, taking up our cross and following Jesus) and we have a Good Shepherd that is leading us and overseeing us.
We use to be dogs and swine but, we are NO LONGER. We have a new nature - no longer a sinful nature in Adam but, now a new nature - a spiritual nature in Christ. We will NEVER be dogs or swine again.
Washed piggy will go to Heaven if she doesn't return to her mud puddle.
Very cute! lol!
But, I'm not buying what you're selling...... All a cute little washed piggy can do is return to her mud puddle because her nature never changed - she was never born again into the spiritual nature of Christ.
Wait, hold on...... Salvation is called a GIFT because we did NOT nor can we EARN it, or lose it.
Amen. But we can throw it away.
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No ... Do you understand what it means to be justified?
IMHO, I think we are doing mighty fine. We do appreciate your constructive critique though
Is that how you view Jesus , so easily to call Gods Son an it , because that is what you are saying...
The gift to us from God is His precious Son , whom we have eternal life , He is the most precious gift anyone could ever receive...
No, I don't believe that.
We can waste and throw away our time on this Earth and have no treasures in heaven but, we won't lose our salvation - we'll just be miserable while on the Earth and a bit embarrassed when we arrive on the other side.
I am speaking of "Our Faith" in the broader sense. I am speaking of the faith we are to contend for.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Ephesians 6:24 (HCSB)
24 Grace be with all who have undying love for our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Romans 11:29 (HCSB)
29 since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable. (What does irrevocable mean to you?)
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.
Romans 5:15 (ESV)
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Doesn't it BOTHER you that with the statement you just POSTED, Gifts can certainly be lost, you just contradicted these verses and a whole host of other verses ? ? ?
The Blood had to be applied to the doorpost. This was a choice, not a good work.
No dear, that is not what I said. Why do you want to frame me in such a dark light? You know I love my Lord Jesus, and you can see how they speak evil of me. They did the same to My Lord. I love them just like you do, else I would not be here speaking to them right now.