Attacks on the Rapture: a popular pastime among some Christians
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Also 146, Daniel says that MANY (not all) that sleep in the dust will arise. That's God using that beautiful pure KJV English to let us know that hey, I used the word Many in Matthew and Many in Daniel.....hint hint, these are the same events. Listen to what the Lord is telling you through his word.
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""As Is Clearly Seen, Any Claim Of A (Pre-Trib) rapture is 100% false, This Is (THE LAST DAY)""
Thank God the rapture is clearly defined.
Your deal contradicts the bible.
Once we see our doctrine as false we stand at a crossroad.
1) 1 thes has the dead(only in Christ) rising BEFORE the living...yet your doctrine has the LIVING in rev 14 gathered BEFORE THE SUPPOSED DEAD AT THE SUPPOSED postrib rapture.
....so that is impossible
2)the ac kills ALL W/O THE MARK....yet your doctrine has the church thriving in the gt.
3) the church is in heaven as Jesus proclaimed during the gt and is seen in rev19
Coming down from heaven AS THE WIFE. which lines up with the 10 virgins, the "places prepared in heaven",the marriage supper,the parable of the wedding guests,the 7 letters to the 7 chuches,the "escape verse" the "keep you from" verse ,the declaration of Jesus placing the gathering pre judgement...and others
Yet your deal just ignores those verses completely.
So,omit our verses and ....poooof,postrib rapture makes sense.
....in y'alls camp....through omission of verses.
Your doctrine only made sense to early believers that lived in the era of a destroyed and scattered Israel.
Israel becoming a nation reset the prophetic window.
I can tell you right now that the replacement theology and disdain for the jews is birthed and incubated in the postrib rapture.
The early church had a "reason" to believe it ,as no israel was in the picture.
Now however,you guys have a different motive.
You can't defend your position honestly so all you basically pursue is a "anti pretrib obsession "
You just dont know any basis for trying to make the rapture postrib inspite of no verses.
You only believe pretrib is incorrect.
Pretrib is the Only position that fits.
Hands down.
My verses will never be changed or go away.
You guys have no verses
Thank God the rapture is clearly defined.
Your deal contradicts the bible.
Once we see our doctrine as false we stand at a crossroad.
1) 1 thes has the dead(only in Christ) rising BEFORE the living...yet your doctrine has the LIVING in rev 14 gathered BEFORE THE SUPPOSED DEAD AT THE SUPPOSED postrib rapture.
....so that is impossible
2)the ac kills ALL W/O THE MARK....yet your doctrine has the church thriving in the gt.
3) the church is in heaven as Jesus proclaimed during the gt and is seen in rev19
Coming down from heaven AS THE WIFE. which lines up with the 10 virgins, the "places prepared in heaven",the marriage supper,the parable of the wedding guests,the 7 letters to the 7 chuches,the "escape verse" the "keep you from" verse ,the declaration of Jesus placing the gathering pre judgement...and others
Yet your deal just ignores those verses completely.
So,omit our verses and ....poooof,postrib rapture makes sense.
....in y'alls camp....through omission of verses.
Your doctrine only made sense to early believers that lived in the era of a destroyed and scattered Israel.
Israel becoming a nation reset the prophetic window.
I can tell you right now that the replacement theology and disdain for the jews is birthed and incubated in the postrib rapture.
The early church had a "reason" to believe it ,as no israel was in the picture.
Now however,you guys have a different motive.
You can't defend your position honestly so all you basically pursue is a "anti pretrib obsession "
You just dont know any basis for trying to make the rapture postrib inspite of no verses.
You only believe pretrib is incorrect.
Pretrib is the Only position that fits.
Hands down.
My verses will never be changed or go away.
You guys have no verses
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Now factor in that the ac kills all w/o the mark and ONLY ISRAEL is ushered to safety with the devil pushed back.
Also the 5 wise went into the marriage chamber...see that ? Marriage chamber.
"I will not drink of the vine again, till I drink it anew with you in my FATHERS KINGDOM"
Once you factor in the pretrib verses it is obvious the rapture IS NOT the 2nd coming and the rapture is pretrib.
Rev 14 is the nuke.
It blows a hole in a postrib rapture big enough to sail a ship through.
Jesus said escape.
Jesus said "keep you from"
Jesus said he comes prejudgement
Why does postrib doctrine get all my verses either twisted,ignored or omitted?
Because they will not go away.
They are there for us. For our benefit.
Pretrib rapture is so easy to defend.
Also the 5 wise went into the marriage chamber...see that ? Marriage chamber.
"I will not drink of the vine again, till I drink it anew with you in my FATHERS KINGDOM"
Once you factor in the pretrib verses it is obvious the rapture IS NOT the 2nd coming and the rapture is pretrib.
Rev 14 is the nuke.
It blows a hole in a postrib rapture big enough to sail a ship through.
Jesus said escape.
Jesus said "keep you from"
Jesus said he comes prejudgement
Why does postrib doctrine get all my verses either twisted,ignored or omitted?
Because they will not go away.
They are there for us. For our benefit.
Pretrib rapture is so easy to defend.
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"29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:29-31
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What proof of the rapture, what is evident in Scripture, what is always missed is this.
The Holy Spirit when writing the Gospels always includes something that may seem to be a non-issue.
When we look at the scriptures we see the Jews , the gentiles, and the son of God. Now what was the son of God?
The son of God was a Jew, born out of Nazareth, what is missed is he was a Galilean and so was his followers.
Taking this perspective look at the customs of the galileans. They were a bit different especially in the marriage ceremony.
Proof of this is found In what Jesus was talking about to his disciples who clearly understood being Galilean what he was talking about.
A Galilean would become engaged then the groom would leave and return to his father's house and start building the addition needed for him and his wife. He would also build or buy furniture and things needed to furnish the home.
The bride would start preparing herself an arraignment. She would pick out fine linens to make her dress and jewels to adorn her self she would do this with her bridesmaids.
The groom would work and save money and pick out the best livestock to present the bride's father a dowry for his daughter.
All of this would be done in the course of a year or more depending on when the groom's father said it is time to get your bride.
The groom's father was the only one that knew when the wedding would take place. Because he was busy preparing the feast that would be for the family and guest that would attend
The traditions and customs of the galileans we're different then those in the other surrounding areas.
Let's look at a few scriptures that Jesus spoke.
In my Father's House there are many mansions
I go to prepare a place for you for where I am you may be also.
No one knows the day or hour only the father.
As we know Jesus paid the ransom for us all.
The rapture is not the second coming but it is the traditions of the galileans.
Just some food for thought.
The Holy Spirit when writing the Gospels always includes something that may seem to be a non-issue.
When we look at the scriptures we see the Jews , the gentiles, and the son of God. Now what was the son of God?
The son of God was a Jew, born out of Nazareth, what is missed is he was a Galilean and so was his followers.
Taking this perspective look at the customs of the galileans. They were a bit different especially in the marriage ceremony.
Proof of this is found In what Jesus was talking about to his disciples who clearly understood being Galilean what he was talking about.
A Galilean would become engaged then the groom would leave and return to his father's house and start building the addition needed for him and his wife. He would also build or buy furniture and things needed to furnish the home.
The bride would start preparing herself an arraignment. She would pick out fine linens to make her dress and jewels to adorn her self she would do this with her bridesmaids.
The groom would work and save money and pick out the best livestock to present the bride's father a dowry for his daughter.
All of this would be done in the course of a year or more depending on when the groom's father said it is time to get your bride.
The groom's father was the only one that knew when the wedding would take place. Because he was busy preparing the feast that would be for the family and guest that would attend
The traditions and customs of the galileans we're different then those in the other surrounding areas.
Let's look at a few scriptures that Jesus spoke.
In my Father's House there are many mansions
I go to prepare a place for you for where I am you may be also.
No one knows the day or hour only the father.
As we know Jesus paid the ransom for us all.
The rapture is not the second coming but it is the traditions of the galileans.
Just some food for thought.
If I haven't proved anything from scripture, then you just haven't been paying attention.
I have gone beyond my contending for the truth in this matter. Therefore, you are free to believe whatever you desire. However, what you are currently believing is not the truth.
I thank my God that His Son already took upon himself the wrath that I deserve, satisfying it completely and therefore, God's wrath no longer rest upon me. I'm thankful that the Lord will come to gather His church prior to that first seal being opened which initiates God's wrath.
I hope that at some point the Spirit will move you to look for the blessed hope instead of God's wrath.
I have gone beyond my contending for the truth in this matter. Therefore, you are free to believe whatever you desire. However, what you are currently believing is not the truth.
I thank my God that His Son already took upon himself the wrath that I deserve, satisfying it completely and therefore, God's wrath no longer rest upon me. I'm thankful that the Lord will come to gather His church prior to that first seal being opened which initiates God's wrath.
I hope that at some point the Spirit will move you to look for the blessed hope instead of God's wrath.
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I feel sorry for you DWR. By giving me a red disagree, you are saying that you believe that God's wrath is meant for the church. If only you guys would do an in-depth study on the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments which make up God's wrath, you would understand the severity of it and why the church cannot go through it. It also means that you don't truly believe that the Lord satisfied God's wrath on behalf of every believer.
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15For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
This says Jesus comes back and gathers his elect, those who are alive, meaning those who are on the Earth, into the clouds with Himself. Christ does not return until after the tribulation, which we have already established. If there is a pre-trib rapture, as you posit, how is it there are still Christians around to be gathered on Earth?
There will be a gathering of saints in heaven, as you correctly stated, and a gathering of saints on Earth. This is the rapture and it's post-trib as far as I can tell.
I have yet to see anyone show me anything that remotely suggests pre-trib. What do you have?
This says Jesus comes back and gathers his elect, those who are alive, meaning those who are on the Earth, into the clouds with Himself. Christ does not return until after the tribulation, which we have already established. If there is a pre-trib rapture, as you posit, how is it there are still Christians around to be gathered on Earth?
There will be a gathering of saints in heaven, as you correctly stated, and a gathering of saints on Earth. This is the rapture and it's post-trib as far as I can tell.
I have yet to see anyone show me anything that remotely suggests pre-trib. What do you have?
I got a better one for ya.
Why are those gathered by Jesus sitting on a cloud in rev 14 DURING THE GT ....PRECEDING THE SUPPOSED resurrection at the end of the gt?
Remember you erroneously believe that 1 thes 4 is paul in conflict with a postrib rapture.
The bible is to be properly understood in entirety...not believing an impossible doctrine.
Once debunked...it is to be discarded (false doctrine)
Why are those gathered by Jesus sitting on a cloud in rev 14 DURING THE GT ....PRECEDING THE SUPPOSED resurrection at the end of the gt?
Remember you erroneously believe that 1 thes 4 is paul in conflict with a postrib rapture.
The bible is to be properly understood in entirety...not believing an impossible doctrine.
Once debunked...it is to be discarded (false doctrine)
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