"Not by works" - false!

[jackrosie]

Don't come into what? Christ? The kingdom?

As Inwe...it’s not about us...it’s about God

 

[Judges1318]

No offence Judges..God has promised me that I will be saved until I take my dieing breath...then I will be reunited with my Father in Heaven,where I will see him in his Full Glory.

Yes, you are forever saved, if you keep believing.

 

[Judges1318]

As Inwe...it’s not about us...it’s about God

Everybody knows that.
Nobody can save themselves.
We are saved through our faith in God's power to save.
That's why we must continue to have faith.

 

[jackrosie]

John:27.

My sheep listen to my voice;I know them,and they follow me.
I give them eternal life,and they shall never perish;no one can snatch them out of my hand.
My Father who has given them to me,is greater than all,no one can snatch them out of my Fathers hand.
I and the Father are one.

So you see Judges....God does not lie to his children.

 

[Pulie]

Yes, no one can snatch you away from Christ against your desire to remain in and continue to believe in Christ.
What you are free to do is stop believing in Christ.
And no unbeliever has any place in Christ or the kingdom to come.

So my Faith in God is a prerequisite to enter into heaven?
My belief does not end on the day I became born again?
What is the difference between my faith and the gift of Faith?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please allow me to ask you the following questions, they will tell if your views lean more towards Calvinism or Arminianism:

Do you believe that God chooses some to be saved and leaves others to go and burn in hell?
Do you believe that Jesus only died for those whom God has chosen according to His sovereign will?

It’s not an Arminian vs Calvinism issue

The fact you are trying to make it one is not helping

I reject loss of salvation is possible hence I am not close to Arminian

I reject double predestination. Hence I am not close to Calvinism or fatalism as I call it

I hate and appose both belief system

Why can we not just look at the Bible and what it says instead of trying to argue some particular doctrine?

 

[jackrosie]

Everybody knows that.
Nobody can save themselves.
We are saved through our faith in God's power to save.
That's why we must continue to have faith.

Again “WE”......we do not keep ourselves saved....God keeps us....also as I have learnt to trust him in certain areas,he has increased my Faith.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thought the OSAS doctrine is a branch of Calvinism. It seems to be in harmony with it. Well I stand to be corrected

Osas may be a Calvinist term (which I think is pet if the problem)

But eternal security is a biblical belief so not all people who beleve in osas
Are Calvinist

 

[Pulie]

It’s not an Arminian vs Calvinism issue

The fact you are trying to make it one is not helping

I reject loss of salvation is possible hence I am not close to Arminian

I reject double predestination. Hence I am not close to Calvinism or fatalism as I call it

I hate and appose both belief system

Why can we not just look at the Bible and what it says instead of trying to argue some particular doctrine?

Yes eternal security has a biblical foundation and the possibility of abandoning The Faith also have a biblical foundation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is. It comes from the 'P' in TULIP.

Now we have the new osas to contend with.
In it, you don't even have to keep believing to remain saved.
Calvin didn't even believe that!

Not true

Again you stop believing when the person you trust becomes untrustworthy

Once again it sad you think god is so untrustworthy people may lose faith

 

[Rosemaryx]

Again “WE”......we do not keep ourselves saved....God keeps us....also as I have learnt to trust him in certain areas,he has increased my Faith.....

Luke 17:5
And the apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith.”

God does increase our faith...
...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Some of us have a balanced view instead of the two extremes of Calvinism and Arminianism. The alternate view does not discount certain truths from both sides, but considers the full spectrum of truth in a more balanced and well rounded way.

That’s why these debates are almost defeated from the begining people make a Calvinist/Arminian argument where there is non

You have calvinists hating arming and so they can’t hear what the other says and vice versa

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I teach eternal security.
But you don't believe that because you define it outside the boundaries of what the Bible actually says.

If you taught eternal SECURITY you would not teach the insecurity which comes with a possible loss of salvation

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The elect are kept by the power of God.....we are the elect...he knew us before we were born.

Amen

And not the Calvinist view if elect the biblical

 

[jackrosie]

Luke 17:5
And the apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith.”

God does increase our faith...
...xox...

I spoke to eternally grateful about this yesterday,God confirmed it to me through him that it is true.
Once again God has confirmed it to me through scripture....Praise God.

 

[Pulie]

I teach eternal security.
But you don't believe that because you define it outside the boundaries of what the Bible actually says.

Paul told Timothy to hold on to the Faith, which means there is a possibility that one might loose the Faith. Well I don't want to loose the Faith, so how can I be certain that my eternity is secured?

 

[Judges1318]

John:27.

My sheep listen to my voice;I know them,and they follow me.
I give them eternal life,and they shall never perish;no one can snatch them out of my hand.
My Father who has given them to me,is greater than all,no one can snatch them out of my Fathers hand.
I and the Father are one.

So you see Judges....God does not lie to his children.

All these are true for the believer, not the one who stops believing.
Show me where any of these promises are addressed to those who stop believing.

 

[Judges1318]

Paul told Timothy to hold on to the Faith, which means there is a possibility that one might loose the Faith. Well I don't want to loose the Faith, so how can I be certain that my eternity is secured?

Are you at this moment believing and trusting in Christ?
Does your life reflect a life of belief and trust in Christ?
If, yes, then you can know with certainty that you presently possess Christ's everlasting life.

 

[jackrosie]

Paul told Timothy to hold on to the Faith, which means there is a possibility that one might loose the Faith. Well I don't want to loose the Faith, so how can I be certain that my eternity is secured?

God testified to my spirit that I was his child......we are talking God here....once he takes up residence in your heart....that’s your eternity secured......we are his.....he is also a jealous God......no idols before him.

He must be number one!.

 

[jackrosie]

All these are true for the believer, not the one who stops believing.
Show me where any of these promises are addressed to those who stop believing.

If anyone stops believing..they weren’t saved in the first place.