"Not by works" - false!

[Judges1318]

But, to the point of my post. I would hope you would use the word FAITH as used in the dictionary so we can understand you clearly.

I don't remember the definition you gave exactly, but 'faith' is almost always invariably going to be defined outside of the Bible as 'having faith', that is possessing and keeping it, not merely defined as the evidence of something being true that you can't see, as the Bible defines it.

What's interesting is, faith according to the world is blind faith, while Biblical faith is not blind at all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am coming over to your opinion to some degree. But, he is very polite, respectful and articulate. My only complaint is his insistence upon giving CRITICAL words like FAITH a meaning no one uses and building doctrine upon it. Otherwise, I find him to be fun to have conversation with.

I see what you are saying bro

But what he does is wrong polite or
Not

And he has done it for along time now. Some of us are sick of it.

 

[jackrosie]

That’s why I keep saying this person should just be ignored

The most important thing that matters is the gospel

We do not want ignore the gospel just because you get mad people disagree with you

I think it’s the way some disagree on here eternally-grateful....I find them more than mad...I’ve been accused of all sorts...there are two on here who are toxic in my opinion...and I mean toxic....that is why I put them on ignore.

Should we give up on someone who believes the way they do.....shouldn’t we just keep going until “God” tells us enough no more.

He has done that to me....it’s like seasons..God places us somewhere for a season...then when he wants us to leave his spirit will let us know....that’s how it’s been for me.

God placed me in a church for 3 yrs....I knew in my Spirit that it was his will that I stay there......but he also removed me from that church ,I knew in my spirit that it was time to leave.

 

[Just_Jo]

Wow and woe to some here

 

[Judges1318]

I am coming over to your opinion to some degree. But, he is very polite, respectful and articulate. My only complaint is his insistence upon giving CRITICAL words like FAITH a meaning no one uses and building doctrine upon it. Otherwise, I find him to be fun to have conversation with.

You're welcome to ignore me because of my doctrine. I do that to people when I think it's time to do that. Just don't ignore me because you have shrunk down into personal grudges and the sort. That is what these other people are doing. But they are certainly entitled to ignore me based on my beliefs alone. But they've taken it way past that into a personal grudge, which if you want, I will explain the history of and will help you see how wrong they are to act the way they are. It's an ugly picture, trust me.

 

[jackrosie]

Someone disagreeing with you is not an attack

You put someone on ignore because they disagree with you that’s not right

And when someone does what he did then twists and tries to blame the other person when he is called out. Thatnisntroublesome

I disagree 2 members on here are toxic....nothing to do with disagreeing...they are plain toxic like a darkness in them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think it’s the way some disagree on here eternally-grateful....I find them more than mad...I’ve been accused of all sorts...there are two on here who are toxic in my opinion...and I mean toxic....that is why I put them on ignore.

Should we give up on someone who believes the way they do.....shouldn’t we just keep going until “God” tells us enough no more.

He has done that to me....it’s like seasons..God places us somewhere for a season...then when he wants us to leave his spirit will let us know....that’s how it’s been for me.

God placed me in a church for 3 yrs....I knew in my Spirit that it was his will that I stay there......but he also removed me from that church ,I knew in my spirit that it was time to leave.

I do not call it giving up sis. I call it trying to help

When someone constantly does it there is a reason. Some people call it trolling others call it other things. But when you constantly do specific things no
Matter how nice you are. It needs called out

I agree. Some do not know how to react. This place has made Me very angry at times So
Mad I have had To step away for awhile which is sad. I came here to learn and discuss gods word. That seems to be a lost art here which is sad

 

[jackrosie]

You're welcome to ignore me because of my doctrine. I do that to people when I think it's time to do that. Just don't ignore me because you have shrunk down into personal grudges and the sort. That is what these other people are doing. But they are certainly entitled to ignore me based on my beliefs alone. But they've taken it way past that into a personal grudge, which if you want, I will explain the history of and will help you see how wrong they are to act the way they are. It's an ugly picture, trust me.

I won’t ignore you...until the Lord decides otherwise.

God also Loves you dearly.....hope you know that in your heart.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're welcome to ignore me because of my doctrine. I do that to people when I think it's time to do that. Just don't ignore me because you have shrunk down into personal grudges and the sort. That is what these other people are doing. But they are certainly entitled to ignore me based on my beliefs alone. But they've taken it way past that into a personal grudge, which if you want, I will explain the history of and will help you see how wrong they are to act the way they are. It's an ugly picture, trust me.

Yeah it’s an ugly picture

No one ignores you because of your doctrine. Your doctrine is offensive but can not hurt us

We ignore you because of what you do to those who do
Not agree with you

 

[Judges1318]

@Fastfredy0 ,
Did you address the faith/gifts topic again?
I actually think it proves my point exactly.
Sorry if I missed your rebuttal.

 

[jackrosie]

I do not call it giving up sis. I call it trying to help

When someone constantly does it there is a reason. Some people call it trolling others call it other things. But when you constantly do specific things no
Matter how nice you are. It needs called out

I agree. Some do not know how to react. This place has made Me very angry at times So
Mad I have had To step away for awhile which is sad. I came here to learn and discuss gods word. That seems to be a lost art here which is sad

Ok.

 

[Judges1318]

We ignore you because of what you do to those who do
Not agree with you

Wow! The hypocrisy is astounding. Simply astounding.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I disagree 2 members on here are toxic....nothing to do with disagreeing...they are plain toxic like a darkness in them.

There are more than that sis. A lot
More

One is not here now he has been gone for a bit but there are more. You did what was best

 

[Judges1318]

I won’t ignore you...until the Lord decides otherwise.

God also Loves you dearly.....hope you know that in your heart.

Just don't ignore me out of an ungodly, personal grudge.
But you can be assured that I have no problem with you disagreeing with me and choosing not to entertain anything I have to say.
You will notice that courtesy does not get extended to those who oppose the group that has come over here from the NOT BY WORKS thread. They make it very personal and vicious.

 

[jackrosie]

There are more than that sis. A lot
More

One is not here now he has been gone for a bit but there are more. You did what was best

I know what you mean.....I just can’t relate to their toxicity....in fact I believe it’s the Holy Spirit in me...who can’t relate to their toxicity.

 

[jackrosie]

Just don't ignore me out of an ungodly, personal grudge.
But you can be assured that I have no problem with you disagreeing with me and choosing not to entertain anything I have to say.
You will notice that courtesy does not get extended to those who oppose the group that has come over here from the NOT BY WORKS thread. They make it very personal and vicious.

God is in me..he will not allow me to ignore you...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow! The hypocrisy is astounding. Simply astounding.

Yet here you go again

You make a comment yet you do not back up your words. What hypocrisy? You just made a general statement. That in effect makes it a straw man attack

 

[gb9]

I don't know how to respond. I don't know your definitions of FAITH and PREVENIENT GRACE, so I get confused.

that is the point of people who use these tactics.

judges purposely says contradicting things to confuse people about his beliefs , then he takes every criticism and pivots it to push out more of his contradicting theology.

he has been proven wrong and had all the contradictions pointed out dozens of times, but he just keeps on going as if none of it happened...

 

[JBTN]

I appreciate the argument. It's a good one. (I actually wondered when someone would articulate it as you have.)

I think the confusion comes from Christians not remembering that in the gospel 'believing' implies 'trusting', not just being aware and agreeing that something is true. We are saved, not because we know and agree that something is true, but because we have put our trust in what God has shown us to be true.

That's why I make the distinction between 'faith'--simply knowing that the gospel really is true--and 'believing'--actually putting your trust in what God has shown you to be true.

See, every unbeliever whom God has called knows the gospel really is true, because the Holy Spirit has testified to them that it really is true. But they reject the faith that God is providing them to believe and trust in the gospel and be saved.

"6 ...it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
9 ...God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son." - 1 John 5:6,9,10

See? The BELIEVER is the one who ACCEPTS the truthful testimony of the Spirit. While the unbeliever rejects it. It's not that the unbeliever does not know the Spirit is speaking the truth and, therefore, can't trust in what is shown him, but rather he has chosen to not believe what the Spirit of truth has shown him to be true.

I have been studying your response, but I keep coming back to this. If the biblical definition of faith includes the conviction, which to me constitutes belief, that the assurance from God is true, then someone who doesn’t have that conviction never satisfies the biblical definition of having faith. So, it becomes impossible for an unbeliever to have true faith. The assurance from God is out there through God’s Word, the miracles, the fulfillment of prophecy, just looking at the world around you and realizing that it didn’t just happen by chance, but people still don’t believe.

 

[Fastfredy0]

judges purposely says contradicting things to confuse people about his beliefs , then he takes every criticism and pivots it to push out more of his contradicting theology.

he has been proven wrong and had all the contradictions pointed out dozens of times, but he just keeps on going as if none of it happened...

Well, his insistence on redefining FAITH contrary to the dictionary has me leaning more and more to your point of view.
That, plus a significant proportion of people posting with a view similar to yours has me 'on guard'.

Hopefully, this is not an unfair "pile on Judges" thing going on.