The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

[garee]

Paul spent 8 verses on it. Everyone was doing it so why did he have to teach on it. When they got filled with the Holy Spirit, both Jews and Gentiles Spoke in Tongues. So why would Paul have to teach on it? He wouldn't because they were already doing it. Paul even bragged and said, I SPEAK TONGUES MORE THAN ALL OF YOU DO! For Paul to brag meant everyone was already Speaking in Tongues and no one had to be taught.

You are wrong about Tongues and worst of all, YOU have no BIBLE to prove you are right. You only can use men stopped doing it and in 1900 they weren't doing it. So what, that doesn't mean Speaking in Tongues stopped, it just means STUPID HUMANS stopped doing it!

Usually STUPID HUMANS find ways to mock prophecy the tongue of God . Coming from those who refuse to look the foundation of the doctrine Isiah 28 .It would seem the other way around you have no Bible as a law to prove your oral tradition .

How in the world does making a senseless sound and falling back glorify God? It remain a mystery .that some call a wonderment or marveling tool (I did it)

Tongues is the prophecy of God spoken in all the language in the world

It is not what it is made out to be a self eddying wonderment .I did it you heard it, look I an falling . Why mock the word of God by making a noise falling backward slain in the spirit. It seem to offend the law of God .

Word that have meaning make up the gospel. No such thing a a sign gift. Spiritual gift not seen yes. Cant see a Spirit work .

Paul in verse 22 of 1 Corinthians 14 refers to the foundation below. "But yet for all that" those who look to wonderment rather than prophecy .they continue to mock as God continues to mock them. sending a strong delusion to believe the lire.

In the law (Isiah 28) it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak (actual words) unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22

God Wants to Help His People

The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:
“Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqawZe’er sham ze’er sham.”So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. 13 So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds[c] to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they "will" fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured. Isaiah 28 :9-13

last time I heard they are still falling backwards filling themselves with wonderment and calling it glorifying God. somehow believing their mocking work will not be judged .according to the next verses (14-16) no one can replace prophecy with the oral tradition of men that makes prophecy the tongue of God without effect.

No One Escapes God’s Judgment

You leaders in Jerusalem should listen to the Lord’s message, but now you refuse to listen to him. You have said, “We have made an agreement with death. (slain in the spirit) We have a contract with death. So we will not be punished. Punishment will pass us without hurting us. We will hide behind our tricks and lies.” Because of these things, the Lord God says, “I will put a rock—a cornerstone—in the ground in Zion. This will be a very precious stone.Everything will be built on this very important rock. Anyone who trusts in that rock will not be disappointed. Isaiah 28 :9-14-16

What is your conclusion to the law?

 

[garee]

Jew are only saved when they are finally ushered into their promised Kingdom, which will happen when Jesus returns for them and sits on the throne in Jerusalem.

So you are correct, they are not saved, whether was it at John 20:22 nor Acts 2:4.

Acts 3:19-20
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

1 Peter 1

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Jew are only saved when they are finally ushered into their promised Kingdom? Huh?

How many will be unshed in in the last minute?

Do they have a different promised Kingdom?

How will he know which ones are full blooded 100% Jew.?

Which ones are outward natural and with Jews as spiritual "born again" .What's the test skin color facat figures DNA. or do we simply follow the commandment to know no man after the flesh to include Jesus .God is not a man

The need for the genealogy spiritual seed (not fleshly corrupted seeds the flesh.) ended in Mathew

Will they be judged on how light or dark their skin is. or the shape of their nose ?.

There is not one Jew that cold trace their ancestry to the last entry of the genealogy .(Jesus ) God is not a man (creation) .Impossible.

 

[garee]

Because many Churches preach that the body of Christ began at Pentecost

Why then and not with Abel? The first recorded apostles, prophet and martyr.

 

[Guojing]

Jew are only saved when they are finally ushered into their promised Kingdom? Huh?

How many will be unshed in in the last minute?

Do they have a different promised Kingdom?

How will he know which ones are full blooded 100% Jew.?

Which ones are outward natural and with Jews as spiritual "born again" .What's the test skin color facat figures DNA. or do we simply follow the commandment to know no man after the flesh to include Jesus .God is not a man

The need for the genealogy spiritual seed (not fleshly corrupted seeds the flesh.) ended in Mathew

Will they be judged on how light or dark their skin is. or the shape of their nose ?.

There is not one Jew that cold trace their ancestry to the last entry of the genealogy .(Jesus ) God is not a man (creation) .Impossible.

Acts 3:19 stated that Israel's sins will only be blotted out (past tense) when the times of refreshing shall come.

That is not happening now.

If their sins are not blotted out now, how can any of them be saved now?

1 Peter 1 repeats what Peter stated in Acts 3.

 

[Kolistus]

As I have stated to him, one principle to interpret scripture is, let the earlier clear usage of the term guide you on how to understand later vague use of the term.

In Acts 2, tongues were clearly foreign languages.

When it comes to 1 Cor, when Paul gave instructions to the Body of Christ then, which was still a transitional period, when Paul discussed the usage of tongues, do we have a good reason to change the meaning of tongues from foreign language to a heavenly one?

Paul also does speak about someone who speaks in tongues "edifying themselves" when you think about this, its clear Paul isnt just talking about speaking in a foreign language. you arent edifying yourself by just speaking spanish.

 

[Kolistus]

So speaking in tongues definitely means speaking in an understandable foreign language? Of my friends who speak in tongues, they have said that it "kind of" sounds like Arabic, and another one Japanese. One of them started speaking in tongues in front of me while driving, I could not understand what she was saying but I do not doubt her sincerity nor am I able to doubt that she has that gift from the Holy Spirit. But I do get the sense from people who speak in tongues that they believe that they are more mature Christians, and that they have a more special relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Also, why are some people able to speak in tongues but others can't? It also does not seem to be given on an individual basis, rather on a group basis (Pentecostal and charismatic). Seems like either the whole church can, or they can't.

Gotta love the "kind of".

The reason why it goes church by church is that some churches teach it some dont. And the ones that do have immense pressure for you to speak in tongues so everyone learns a different sounding one, its like the "tongue/language girl" on youtube who can speak "french sounding" but its not actually french at all (She can do this in almost all languages), look it up. And because they dont want to be these "LESS spiritual" guys with no Spirit, they give into peer pressure and start copying what others do and hone their own tongues.

The ones that dont usually sweep it under the rug and say its real languages while ignoring the part where you speak mysteries to God in the Spirit and speaking in tongues of angels and the self-edifying part. If we're talking just regular spoken languages, we know there is nothing edifying in speaking spanish instead of english, or chinese instead of arabic.

 

[garee]

Acts 3:19 stated that Israel's sins will only be blotted out (past tense) when the times of refreshing shall come.

That is not happening now.

If their sins are not blotted out now, how can any of them be saved now?

1 Peter 1 repeats what Peter stated in Acts 3.

Times of refreshing? The refreshing reformation came. The end to the abomination of desolation. Temples built with human hands

The reformation has been doing its work here for 2000 years. Walk by faith, the eternal not seen, not by sight the temporal under the Sun, seen

We are the living temple not made with human hands . When the multitude came out of Egypt a remnant of believers mixed with those who had no faith . They were the temple. No temple in the new heavens and earth. Moses as if he was God(not seen) and Arron the high priest to represent Jesus the Son of man working as two to draw out the born again ones.

God wanted to display to the world what a moving unseen spirit could accomplish .Many unbelievers took it as a display to themselves in the spirit of self pride, self edification as if it had something to with their own corrupted flesh.

You could say a demonstration of the great commission sent the out two by two. His kingdom going out to the world or wilderness . Not that he set in stone in the middle of the dessert . and sold tickets with a treasure map. .

The walking tabernacle in the wilderness represented a living Spirit working in and guiding a people. That parable ended when they reached the promise land. And the temple of man as previously. . . continued until the faith less Jews who became jealous of surrounding Pagan nations refused to worship a King not seen , (the abomination of desecration) .Kings in Israel . God gave them over temporally to do that which the mocking Jews desired. When Jesus walked out in Mathew 24 he declared it desolate. Some today cry out to wall of rocks hoping their god send the right Son of man not the one who proved to be friends with the whole world .

This is seen with Abel the first recorded martyr. And faithless Cain.

The question I would ask. Which Israel is that? The born again ones? The bride, the father renamed Christian in Acts a befitting name that includes all the nations. Or the previous name Jacob one that does wrestles against flesh and blood the things seen, having no faith coming from God working in them need to both will and do the good pleasure.

 

[garee]

Gotta love the "kind of".

The reason why it goes church by church is that some churches teach it some dont. And the ones that do have immense pressure for you to speak in tongues so everyone learns a different sounding one, its like the "tongue/language girl" on youtube who can speak "french sounding" but its not actually french at all (She can do this in almost all languages), look it up. And because they dont want to be these "LESS spiritual" guys with no Spirit, they give into peer pressure and start copying what others do and hone their own tongues.

The ones that dont usually sweep it under the rug and say its real languages while ignoring the part where you speak mysteries to God in the Spirit and speaking in tongues of angels and the self-edifying part. If we're talking just regular spoken languages, we know there is nothing edifying in speaking spanish instead of english, or chinese instead of arabic.

I would offer hopefully adding. Prophecy, the tongues of God is designed for those who beleive. Lying wonders for those who believe not. . . . rebels .No faith alone as it is written.

It would seem like all signs with false wonders or wonderments. Marveling is not believing prophecy, Wondering is not considered a source of faith . Its wondering . To some wonderland.

I think that is one reason Jesus said to "marvel not" even at the greatest miracle: ."Born again" . It could be habit forming and need to be filled again and again . We must be careful how we hear.

Give it the three second rule. Be in awe 3 seconds at a time. Don't fall backward.

 

[biker]

Nowhere Paul taught, that speaking in tongues is the proof that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit. To use acts as proof for it, is an man made teaching to defend this doctrine.

And Paul also not taught that every believer will get this gift.
Why he is stating this, if for him is clear that everybody get it?
This teaching you cant find before 1900.
Your answer Shows that you cant answer it, and you are wonder that I questioning an doctrine which is little more then 120 years old, and is splitting christianity.

READ what I say, NOT into what you think I say!

WOW!

I never said Paul taught that. I said he did not have to teach it because WHEN people were filled with the Holy Spirit they Spoke in Tongues.

I can now see you for what you really are after twisting my words!

Get thee Behind Me!

 

[wolfwint]

READ what I say, NOT into what you think I say!

WOW!

I never said Paul taught that. I said he did not have to teach it because WHEN people were filled with the Holy Spirit they Spoke in Tongues.

I can now see you for what you really are after twisting my words!

Get thee Behind Me!

Dont be worry! I apologize for to ask this questions. And I never will ask again about this issue.

 

[biker]

Dont be worry! I apologize for to ask this questions. And I never will ask again about this issue.

That's not the problem. The problem is, YOU, ask knowing very good and well YOU won't believe the answer given back to YOU! Therefore, YOU are talking with a forked Tongue. YOU don't believe in Speaking in Tongues and YOU won't ever believe. But YOU still ask just to see someone's answer YOU know YOU'RE not going to accept. And then YOU argue over that answer YOU knew YOU weren't going to accept. YOU are baiting and trapping! It's a complete waste of time dealing with someone that is doing what YOU'RE doing!
^
Read the Bible, SATAN, does exactly the same thing YOU do to EVE in the Garden of Eden!

STOP being like SATAN!

 

[wolfwint]

That's not the problem. The problem is, YOU ask knowing very good and well YOU won't believe the answer given back to YOU! Therefore, YOU are talking with a forked Tongue. YOU don't believe in Speaking in Tongues and YOU won't ever believe. But YOU still ask just to see someone's answer YOU know YOU'RE not going to accept. It's a complete waste of time dealing with someone that is doing what YOU'RE doing!

Biker, Think what you want about me. For me is now clear, that I was to optimistic. How someone would answer my question when he then must find out, that he may be wrong?
Nobody would do this. Not people can convince others, but the Lord can.

 

[KelbyofGod]

I am not sure what you mean about buying new things. I will get right to the meat and Potatoes and ask you


Where in the New Testament did the disciples come to the saving knowledge of the Lord?
And did their confession of Jesus as Lord after Seeing Him resurrected produce no salvation as The gospel of John say in Chapter 3

Please answer that for me. If I have to keep going back to the past post of you, and it will not help our understanding at least not mine. Let's start from here. I'm sure nothing I am asking now is in context with what I have already said.

I will answer honestly but need to tell you I am using my definition of the word "save, saving, saved" to do so because I think people(churches) have blown the meaning way out of proportion to where their use of the word overlooks proper uses of the word as it tries to convey only a single, vague meaning. That's why I very rarely use that word, and instead express my meaning using more precise wording.

But to answer your question: I think they encountered saving knowledge of the Lord every time they heard him speak, because every word he speaks saves and delivers us from something, if we heed it.

Do you believe me to be wrong in that opinion?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[biker]

Biker, Think what you want about me. For me is now clear, that I was to optimistic. How someone would answer my question when he then must find out, that he may be wrong?
Nobody would do this. Not people can convince others, but the Lord can.

I went back into your chat history on this site and EVERY thread about Speaking in Tongues YOU have brought up the same garbage, asked the same questions, even turned what posters answered to SOMEONE ELSE, NOT TO YOU, and then YOU turned that post into as if they were attacking YOU. There are over 50 (FIFTY THREADS) of YOU doing the same thing as you've done on this thread.

So, YOU cannot give me an answer of you're trying to learn or trying to see it differently when this is the 51st (FIFTY FIRST THREAD) doing the EXACT SAME THING over and over and over.

You are definitely a SAVED man of GOD, Brother!

But YOU do more for SATAN than you will ever do for GOD on this forum and these types of threads.

It is what it is!

YOU are what YOU ARE!

 

[biker]

What's the saddest part of learning your chat history, Wolfwint, is knowing you are a Senior Member on this site. And ultimately what that Senior Member status + chat history equals out to, is that you have been here a LONG TIME attacking true members of God's Family for Speaking in Tongues!

In ungodly terms, someone needs to put a boot up your backside for doing more for Satan than for God!

If you think I am irritated, my temperature is well past 100+ just thinking about those Christians who YOU HAVE ATTACKED!

 

[Kavik]

Paul also does speak about someone who speaks in tongues "edifying themselves" when you think about this, its clear Paul isnt just talking about speaking in a foreign language. you arent edifying yourself by just speaking spanish.

You are if you're the only person at that public worship who understands that language. In that case, you are not speaking to men, but to God; for no one hears with understanding. You may be praying earnestly and from the heart; i.e. in the Spirit, but to everyone else, you're just uttering mysteries. You're the only one benefitting (being edified).

One Paul referred to "tongues of angels" - he was using hyperbole. There's no getting around that he was using this literary device to hammer home his point.

 

[KelbyofGod]

You are if you're the only person at that public worship who understands that language. In that case, you are not speaking to men, but to God; for no one hears with understanding. You may be praying earnestly and from the heart; i.e. in the Spirit, but to everyone else, you're just uttering mysteries. You're the only one benefitting (being edified).

Actually if one man (the speaker) understands what is being said, it doesn't fulfil what Paul said:

A) NO man undertands. (the speaker is a "man")
B) MY understanding is unfruitful. (I don't understand any more than the others, because this isn't spoken to man)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

Actually if one man (the speaker) understands what is being said, it doesn't fulfil what Paul said:

A) NO man undertands. (the speaker is a "man")
B) MY understanding is unfruitful. (I don't understand any more than the others, because this isn't spoken to man)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I guess I could add that this comes from the "cloven" tongue... meaning it doesn't come from the same source.. The message in tongues comes from the Spirit of God, not the intentions of man.

(Which is also why interpretation of tongues is equal to prophecy...because it is thus saith the LORD, not thus saith MAN. Man is just the yielded vessel for the message.)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[CS1]

I will answer honestly but need to tell you I am using my definition of the word "save, saving, saved" to do so because I think people(churches) have blown the meaning way out of proportion to where their use of the word overlooks proper uses of the word as it tries to convey only a single, vague meaning. That's why I very rarely use that word, and instead express my meaning using more precise wording.

But to answer your question: I think they encountered saving knowledge of the Lord every time they heard him speak, because every word he speaks saves and delivers us from something, if we heed it.

Do you believe me to be wrong in that opinion?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

The Greek for "Saved" as Jesus used and so did Peter and Paul is Sozo = Salvation, healing, and deliverance. We don't have to worry you and i about churches just what the word of God says about Saved, saved, saving contextually.

Jesus was not Vague in John 3:16 who so ever believeth in HIM would have eternal life (Zoe )

Jesus said in Matthew 24:13


"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. " = Sozo meaning = salvation, healing, and deliverance

Mark 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus is very clear believe in Him and be saved= Sozo = salvation eternal in this context those who do not are eternally dammed.

Jesus is not vague about salvation or being saved or saving people how it is to be done.

Saving knowledge means one can come to know Jesus as Lord and Savior any other knowledge is futile.

 

[wolfwint]

What's the saddest part of learning your chat history, Wolfwint, is knowing you are a Senior Member on this site. And ultimately what that Senior Member status + chat history equals out to, is that you have been here a LONG TIME attacking true members of God's Family for Speaking in Tongues!

In ungodly terms, someone needs to put a boot up your backside for doing more for Satan than for God!

If you think I am irritated, my temperature is well past 100+ just thinking about those Christians who YOU HAVE ATTACKED!

Well,. one thing, I did never "Attacked" someone personally. If you claim that I did, then please show me.
What I do not believe is that the pentecostal / charismatic teaching about the baptism with the Holy Spirit and as proof for that the gift of speaking in tongues is from God.
And special not in the way it came to germany in 1907. In my eyes this teaching is the greatest spliting among believers. It makes All non tongue speakers to 2nd class believers and rejeckter of Christ, because of not searching this gift. Maby you dont realize this
Thats why I asked specific questions. I got answers, but no one did answer the questions I had.

I never again will join here an thread about speaking in tongues.
Our Lord may bless you.