The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues
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There is no doctrine according to the flesh of mankind
When you divide the word of divide the word of God between the nations .You are promoting we do wrestle against flesh and blood .The bible is written to believers. Every word.
Who ever does not have the born again spirit of Christ they simly do no belong
When you divide the word of divide the word of God between the nations .You are promoting we do wrestle against flesh and blood .The bible is written to believers. Every word.
Who ever does not have the born again spirit of Christ they simly do no belong
Christ who dwells in believers teaches them. Bringing to our mind the things he has taught us. He warns of of those who say we need a man to teach us. Calls them antichrists .
When Paul was accused usurping the authroity of the father not seen he tore his cloth declaring blasphemy .
The Holy Spirit is the teacher and He warns us to call no man on earth teacher . We plant the seed .The seed does the forming .
1 Corinthians 3:6-8 King James Version (KJV) I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
Our labor is to plant. His labor is to save. The eternal things of God )not seen) and those temporal of men (seen) must be rightly divided
When Paul was accused usurping the authroity of the father not seen he tore his cloth declaring blasphemy .
The Holy Spirit is the teacher and He warns us to call no man on earth teacher . We plant the seed .The seed does the forming .
1 Corinthians 3:6-8 King James Version (KJV) I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
Our labor is to plant. His labor is to save. The eternal things of God )not seen) and those temporal of men (seen) must be rightly divided
Jesus Christ Himself could tell you that Speaking in Tongues is still active and you would think He was off His rocker. You disagree with Tongues, you think they have ceased, and NO ONE can give you anything that you will accept. It is just a fact. There is NOWHERE in the Bible that claims Speaking in Tongues has ended, nor that a MAN would be able to say Tongues has ended. Therefore, Tongues is still active. You disagree and always will disagree but you CANNOT PROVE we are wrong by the Bible. It's just your opinion and because you cannot find in the Bible where it has ended or where man can say it ends at this moment, your opinion is wrong!
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Yes, but the way you wrote it, it seemed a bit spooky. It sounded like you are praying to Paul. I hope not.
So, Peter was sent to the Jews...does this mean that you exclude his ministry and example? You only follow Paul?
1 Cor 1:12
12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
Good night, and God Bless! I hope you resolve everything. GOOD BYE EVERYONE, THIS HAS BEEN, WELL, UM, DIFFERENT AND STRANGE.
So, Peter was sent to the Jews...does this mean that you exclude his ministry and example? You only follow Paul?
1 Cor 1:12
12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
Good night, and God Bless! I hope you resolve everything. GOOD BYE EVERYONE, THIS HAS BEEN, WELL, UM, DIFFERENT AND STRANGE.
They do not recognize the other books of the bible
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No, I dont Think so. Would you live in germany in the year 1900, then you would find that none in the whole Country teaches, what later was taught through the azusa movement. The same with australia and many other countrys.
You even cant show me in the bible that this teaching was taught to other believers. Why not? Why Paul taught not such an important issue?
Till today no one was able to answer this, instead they made me an Ignorant ore someone who is against the scripture.
What is wrong to have questions? Do you belong to this Kind of people who believe whatever is told them? I guess not.
OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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Hello Wolfwint, this will probably be the last entry I make in this forum, because as I stated before:
"Again, we can go round and round about this...and I'm speaking to every post from everyone on this forum...because I've noticed that everyone seems so quick to challenge each other's beliefs, some even seem aggressive and hostile, but they never seem to question or challenge themselves. Hey, I don't mean to step on toes here, but seriously, as a newcomer, and someone who has been a Christian for over 43 years and has heard all of these tiresome arguments, or rather "discussions that claim righteous authority", it is well, quite futile.
You must decide what is most important to you, in your Christian walk, what do you need? What do you need to build yourself up to then put into the building of the kingdom of God and for the furtherance of his word?"
So, I agree with Biker's reply, you simply will not accept something because I guess you want definitive proof that tongues still exist. It does not matter if Germany or other countries were teaching this or that during the time of Hitler's inauguration, or the upheaval in the Middle East, etc. It is not my job, or anybody else's to prove to you anything.
Likewise, people have asked me to prove that Christ existed, and to prove that he actually is God's only begotten son...People have asked if God really exists, TO PROVE IT TO THEM, or will I finally come to the "logical conclusion" that HE is only a figment of my imagination... and that I must be a weak person who has to believe in someone greater than myself to solve my problems.
I do not blame you for asking questions, but there comes a time when your questions are thinly veiled refutes, and not really information seeking.
So to you I say: YOU NEED TO CHALLENGE YOURSELF AND SEEK GOD.
Good bye, and may God bless you
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Paul spent 8 verses on it. Everyone was doing it so why did he have to teach on it. When they got filled with the Holy Spirit, both Jews and Gentiles Spoke in Tongues. So why would Paul have to teach on it? He wouldn't because they were already doing it. Paul even bragged and said, I SPEAK TONGUES MORE THAN ALL OF YOU DO! For Paul to brag meant everyone was already Speaking in Tongues and no one had to be taught.
You are wrong about Tongues and worst of all, YOU have no BIBLE to prove you are right. You only can use men stopped doing it and in 1900 they weren't doing it. So what, that doesn't mean Speaking in Tongues stopped, it just means STUPID HUMANS stopped doing it!
OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
this thread 360n is where you an I stated our dialog
OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Where in the New Testament did the disciples come to the saving knowledge of the Lord?
And did their confession of Jesus as Lord after Seeing Him resurrected produce no salvation as The gospel of John say in Chapter 3
Please answer that for me. If I have to keep going back to the past post of you, and it will not help our understanding at least not mine. Let's start from here. I'm sure nothing I am asking now is in context with what I have already said.
Nowhere Paul taught, that speaking in tongues is the proof that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit. To use acts as proof for it, is an man made teaching to defend this doctrine.
And Paul also not taught that every believer will get this gift.
Why he is stating this, if for him is clear that everybody get it?
This teaching you cant find before 1900.
Your answer Shows that you cant answer it, and you are wonder that I questioning an doctrine which is little more then 120 years old, and is splitting christianity.
And Paul also not taught that every believer will get this gift.
Why he is stating this, if for him is clear that everybody get it?
This teaching you cant find before 1900.
Your answer Shows that you cant answer it, and you are wonder that I questioning an doctrine which is little more then 120 years old, and is splitting christianity.
OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.
And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.
#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]
Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"
Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
So you are correct, they are not saved, whether was it at John 20:22 nor Acts 2:4.
Acts 3:19-20
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
1 Peter 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.