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p_rehbein said:
Did not read the 90 comments.......no real need to........ You should have posed this question to the Admins, and not as a "discussion" Thread............

IF you have been banned twice, how, exactly, are you here yet again?

One definition of trolling forums is a person who is banned and keeps returning with different Screen name to post comments designed to cause distension/arguments among the members......
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Why would someone pretend to be somebody they weren’t? Sounds like they’re liars to me 😐
 
Reformyourself said:
It like this quote.....
Luke 18:9-14
Then Jesus told this story to some who had great confidence in their own righteousness and scorned everyone else: “Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer ‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector! I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
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Thank you for your quote :)

I will try to express an opinion about it, that you are welcome to read. It comes from a pagan, though.

I often meet people, I see as preaching rather than practicing. I'm almost sure, they disagree with my view. And how can I know I'm right? Am I judging them incorrectly? Am I meeting the situation with an open mind?

There was an answer to the question about being clean, explaining something about being clean in Jesus. I'm not sure I fully understand this, but I think it leads back to the parable in your quote.

I can't know the heart of another person. I can observe the person's behavior and it is then said, we can know them by their fruits. I think that requires that we have a "clean" heart to sense with from where we will meet new situations with an open mind.

The question is then, how do we get a clean heart? I think it's by giving up an illusion of a self and desires (referring to Mark 8:34). Others will probably say, it ALSO requires we wish to follow the belief of Jesus as our savior.
 
Unitas said:
Thank you for your quote :)

I will try to express an opinion about it, that you are welcome to read. It comes from a pagan, though.

I often meet people, I see as preaching rather than practicing. I'm almost sure, they disagree with my view. And how can I know I'm right? Am I judging them incorrectly? Am I meeting the situation with an open mind?

There was an answer to the question about being clean, explaining something about being clean in Jesus. I'm not sure I fully understand this, but I think it leads back to the parable in your quote.

I can't know the heart of another person. I can observe the person's behavior and it is then said, we can know them by their fruits. I think that requires that we have a "clean" heart to sense with from where we will meet new situations with an open mind.

The question is then, how do we get a clean heart? I think it's by giving up an illusion of a self and desires (referring to Mark 8:34). Others will probably say, it ALSO requires we wish to follow the belief of Jesus as our savior.
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Another great question! How do we get a clean heart? Not by works, that’s for sure ‘create in me, a clean heart o G_d’ 🙏
 
Reformyourself said:
Why would someone pretend to be somebody they weren’t? Sounds like they’re liars to me 😐
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Hi :)

I really like your question: Why do we pretend to be something, we aren't? I will give my opinion, and you are welcome to read it.

The simple answer is, that we either build or destroy, and that if we don't have peace (because we live in an illusion of a self), we will pretend to be something based on either "building" or "destroying". Let me explain that further.

Building: We add layers to the image of ourselves, because we want to portray an image that we find more useful. Often I see this as trying to fit into a group were we will feel approved. I see this as a fake support. We try to be more, because we think others will like us better like this. This I have often seen on social medias like Facebook. But I think it also goes with a person trying to change their look (unless of course it's for health issues).

Destroying: These can be the trolls. They seek peace through control. They try to make people confused or offended, because it makes them feel superior. As I see it, this is based on an enormous insecurity, where the person can't create relations anymore, but instead try to tear down others to feel life.
 
Unitas said:
Hi :)

I really like your question: Why do we pretend to be something, we aren't? I will give my opinion, and you are welcome to read it.

The simple answer is, that we either build or destroy, and that if we don't have peace (because we live in an illusion of a self), we will pretend to be something based on either "building" or "destroying". Let me explain that further.

Building: We add layers to the image of ourselves, because we want to portray an image that we find more useful. Often I see this as trying to fit into a group were we will feel approved. I see this as a fake support. We try to be more, because we think others will like us better like this. This I have often seen on social medias like Facebook. But I think it also goes with a person trying to change their look (unless of course it's for health issues).

Destroying: These can be the trolls. They seek peace through control. They try to make people confused or offended, because it makes them feel superior. As I see it, this is based on an enormous insecurity, where the person can't create relations anymore, but instead try to tear down others to feel life.
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Aaah, and I thought trolls were cute little dolls 😉
 
Unitas said:
Not by works alone. Not by faith alone.

When we give up ourselves, "our" hearts are cleaned in trust.
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Are you sure you’re not a Christian? We cant do anything in our own strength
 
Reformyourself said:
Aaah, and I thought trolls were cute little dolls 😉
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Would you call this trolling behaviour then? Matt. 21:12-13
And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you make it a den of robbers.”
 
Reformyourself said:
Would you call this trolling behaviour then? Matt. 21:12-13
And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you make it a den of robbers.”
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No, I don't see Jesus as trolling.

From my interpretation Jesus was not selfish. Not seeking control. Not trying to feel superior. Not insecure.

So, why didn't Jesus move into the temple with peace? Why didn't he meet the merchants with kindness? I'm not sure. Maybe someone can explain it. But I don't see Jesus as a destroyer of people.
 
Reformyourself said:
Would you call this trolling behaviour then? Matt. 21:12-13
And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you make it a den of robbers.”
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Sorry I answered your question. I thought you were asking me :)
 
Unitas said:
No, I don't see Jesus as trolling.

From my interpretation Jesus was not selfish. Not seeking control. Not trying to feel superior. Not insecure.

So, why didn't Jesus move into the temple with peace? Why didn't he meet the merchants with kindness? I'm not sure. Maybe someone can explain it. But I don't see Jesus as a destroyer of people.
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Poor pigeons !!
 
Unitas said:
No, I don't see Jesus as trolling.

From my interpretation Jesus was not selfish. Not seeking control. Not trying to feel superior. Not insecure.

So, why didn't Jesus move into the temple with peace? Why didn't he meet the merchants with kindness? I'm not sure. Maybe someone can explain it. But I don't see Jesus as a destroyer of people.
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He is superior 😐
 
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