"God loves everyone" - false

[Fastfredy0]

I don't think you need to repent because you don't believe that God loves everyone. I don't need to repent because I believe He does love everyone

I recently heard a knowledgeable theologian say something like ... To think something wrongly about God is a sin. It is to give God attributes that are not truly His and is creating an idol.
I considered this. How can it be that I can sin by trying to understand God and honestly coming to conclusions that are incorrect?

After consideration, I think this is true. I do unwittingly misrepresent God. I do make mistakes. It is a sin.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Do you have children? If you do then do you only love the ones that are good all the time and do what you tell them to? How could you have a child with your DNA and not love them even when they do bad? We are all God's creation He made us why would He make us and then Hate us because we did bad? He's not a very good creator then and would be a terrible parent. That is why I say God loves us because He is our creator.

Aside: I agree with @Angela53510 who suggests you use scripture to back up your opinions more often.

Yes, I have children. Yes, I would liken God's love for His children to be analogous to ours (Caveat: His ways are not ours). So I favor them, over looking their faults. But your children, assuming you have them, are not my children and I favor them relatively little compared to my children.
But your definition of God's children varies from mine. Mine definition of God's children are those who are (or will be) IN CHRIST. Your definition includes children that have two fathers ... God and the devil (John 8:44-45).

 

[Fastfredy0]

I agree that God will destroy the wicked but I believe that He loves them and it will be a hard thing for Him to destroy them but they chose sin and didn't repent and accept the sacrifice of Jesus. So it is the wicked that doesn't love God not God not loving the people He created. He showed His love for all of us good and bad with the sacrifice that Jesus made giving His life for all of us.

I understand. You believe God loves the wicked; though I am not sure why you believe that. I believe God does only loves those IN CHRIST because God is holy and separated from evil and other reasons (see post 459).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ultimately, I think your view that God does not love the un-redeemed is to support your view of "limited atonement" and skewed view of predestination.

The two are tied together... in my experience people who accept one also accept the other.

I personally think it not really possible to fully understand God's Love nor His Hate.

But scripture is clear ..."for God so loved the world" .. that is not only believers the next line shows why.

I am also quite sure that to divide Jesus into two stating only his "human side" loved sinners is sheer folly.... the most horrendous understanding ever to support a faulty dogma.

My hope is that he does not hate his sinful children like he believes god hates His creation

 

[Fastfredy0]

Ultimately, I think

I am still waiting for your answers to my questions. Defend you opinions as I did mine please.

Add to the list:
Question 11:
... Since you believe Jesus died for everyone.
... Since you believe God knew who would accept Him salvifically.
Why did Christ sacrifice himself in vain (producing no result; useless) ???????

Question 12:
Christ is the High Priest.
... Since the function of the High Priest is to offer a sacrifice without blemish (in this case Himself)
... Since the function of the High Priest is to intercede for his flock to God
... Since Christ and God the Father (and the Spirit) are of one essence and have the same thoughts, understanding and purpose
Why is it that Christ intercedes for never-to-be redeemed... why does He intercede in vain (producing no result; useless) ?????

 

[JesusLives]

Aside: I agree with @Angela53510 who suggests you use scripture to back up your opinions more often.

Yes, I have children. Yes, I would liken God's love for His children to be analogous to ours (Caveat: His ways are not ours). So I favor them, over looking their faults. But your children, assuming you have them, are not my children and I favor them relatively little compared to my children.
But your definition of God's children varies from mine. Mine definition of God's children are those who are (or will be) IN CHRIST. Your definition includes children that have two fathers ... God and the devil (John 8:44-45).

God created Lucifer too who became Satan the Devil....God is his creator. Not sure if there is a Bible text to back that up. But I do know that Lucifer wanted to be or take God's position or at least be equal to God and could not happen as he is not God but a creation of God.

Isaiah 14:12-15


Chapter Parallel Compare

12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! 13 You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” 15 But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit.

 

[Magenta]

But your definition of God's children varies from mine. Mine definition of God's children are those who are (or will be) IN CHRIST.

I agree with this. Those who have accepted Christ, who believe the gospel in their heart, who surrender their lives to Him, are His children. It is not us He sees but His Son: we are in Him Who holds the keys to life and death, and is Himself the source of life. That does not negate the fact that He loves the whole world. However, only those in Him will be preserved at the end of this age. All else perish, in what we know as the second death, following the resurrection and judgment of all. Surely you are familiar with these Scripture verses? Reconciling them may be difficult for some but they are not for me. I do not see a contradiction in God removing forever from His creation those who steadfastly oppose Him. It is a simple matter of not giving more life to those who refuse to acknowledge Him as the giver of life in the first place. Scripture says they are without excuse. If they are not born again, they perish.

 

[JesusLives]

Matthew 5:44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…

Is not Satan and the wicked enemies of God? How can God tell us to do something that He is not doing Himself? This is one of the reasons I say God loves everyone. He does not love sin and what it causes wicked to do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew 5:44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…

Is not Satan and the wicked enemies of God? How can God tell us to do something that He is not doing Himself? This is one of the reasons I say God loves everyone. He does not love sin and what it causes wicked to do.

Amen. I have yet to hear a response to this that satisfies this issue

 

[JesusLives]

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;

Romans 3:23 New King James Version (NKJV)
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,



None of us deserve God's love and we are all doomed to death as we have all sinned but God's love has provided a way out through the blood of Jesus and it is God's love that the sacrifice was made for all men but not all men accept the gift of salvation and those are doomed to die.

Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Magenta]

Mine definition of God's children are those who are (or will be) IN CHRIST.

I agree with this. Those who have accepted Christ, who believe the gospel in their heart, who surrender their lives to Him, are His children. It is not us He sees but His Son: we are in Him Who holds the keys to life and death, and is Himself the source of life. That does not negate the fact that He loves the whole world. However, only those in Him will be preserved at the end of this age. All else perish, in what we know as the second death, following the resurrection and judgment of all. Surely you are familiar with these Scripture verses? Reconciling them may be difficult for some but they are not for me. I do not see a contradiction in God removing forever from His creation those who steadfastly oppose Him. It is a simple matter of not giving more life to those who refuse to acknowledge Him as the giver of life in the first place. God desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, which is found in His Son, Jesus Christ, Who is the Truth, and drawing all to Himself. If one does not respond in the affirmative, they are not born again, are cast out of life, and perish. Scripture says they are without excuse. They suffer from the same condition which caused the fall of man and corruption of all creation in the first place: pride.

^ ^ I added a little more to my initial response

 

[Fastfredy0]

How can God tell us to do something that He is not doing Himself? This is one of the reasons I say God loves everyone. He does not love sin and what it causes wicked to do.

Two points:

1. It statement contains circular reasoning. You assume God is loving everyone in the statement "He is not doing himself". Then, using this assumption you come to the conclusion "I say God loves everyone". Circular Logic Example: I am smart therefore I am intelligent.
2. Just to humor your faulty argument. God tells Israel that the high priest must come from the Tribe of Levi. God himself appoints our High Priest (Christ) from the tribe of Judah. God has not done something he asked us to do. Therefore, even if you can construct a non circular argument you can not use the premise that God would not "tell us to do something that He is not doing Himself". But this is about GOD'S LOVE, not ours. To conflate the two is like saying my love for my wife is the same as my love for apple pie.

Question 11:
... Since you believe Jesus died for everyone.
... Since you believe God knew who would accept Him salvifically.
Why did Christ sacrifice himself in vain (producing no result; useless) ???????

Question 12:
Christ is the High Priest.
... Since the function of the High Priest is to offer a sacrifice without blemish (in this case Himself)
... Since the function of the High Priest is to intercede for his flock to God
... Since Christ and God the Father (and the Spirit) are of one essence and have the same thoughts, understanding and purpose
Why is it that Christ intercedes for never-to-be redeemed ... why does He intercede in vain (producing no result; useless) ?????

Question 13:
.... 1 Corinthians 13:6 "Love rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth in the truth."
Seeing as you believe God loves everyone. How is it God does not rejoice in His love for the unredeemed?

Some on your side of the argument have said:

1. God can be repulsed by those He loves
2. God love means "taking pleasure" ... so one deduces God takes pleasure in the wicked
3. God can love the unrepentant, unbelieving wicked (unbelievers)
4. Apparently, God loves those in whom He does not rejoice
5. God can love people whose father is Satan

Your sides bar is set very low for whom God can love and thus the meaning of God's Love. So low that it has little meaning in my opinion. Your side is somewhat hesitant IMO to define love. My guess is that their definition will conflict with the thesis of "GOD LOVES EVERYONE'; thus the low bar set on the meaning of GOD'S LOVE.

My bar is much more difficult to achieve. God's love is a volition volition to favor those that are morally perfect (Christ and those In Christ) and thus more lovely.
...If he loves himself, he cannot but love the resemblance of himself, and the image of his own goodness. He loves himself, because he is the highest goodness and excellency; and loves everything as it resembles himself, because it is an efflux [outflowing] of his own goodness; and as he doth necessarily love himself, and his own excellency, so he doth necessarily love anything that resembles that excellency, which is the primary object of his esteem.
....Real love hates moral evil and clings to righteousness. It is also an error to interpret “God is love” to mean God is only love…using love as a paring knife to cut away his power, justice, holiness and wrath against sin, leaves only unconditional acceptance.

 

[tourist]

Well, you must define love.

Eternally-gratefull says God loves those he is repulsed by. To quote "God is repulsed by sin. Thus people who commit sin repulse god.
But the fact he died for them PROVES he loved them"

Eleventhhour agrees with Eternally-gratefull ... thus she believes God loves those he is repulsed by. She also posted in #181 that love is "wish well to, take pleasure in". So she believe God loves those He wishes well (thought sends to hell), 'takes pleasure in' and 'is repulsed by'. So God wished well to those He is repulsed by as they give Him pleasure.

I define love as "volitional favor towards an object according to the loveliness of the object. God loving Himself most as He is the most lovely, then lovely those In Christ as they are morally perfect by having the imputation of Christ's sacrifice and His righteousness. The wrath of God remains on the remainder of mankind. I base my definition on

1. God's holiness (He is morally perfect and separated from evil).
2. Also Col. 3:14 saying love is a bond of unity.
3. Amos 3:3 That two cannot walk together unless they are agreed
4. Empirical evidence .... Those in heaven are favored, those in hell are not favored
5. God chooses who is saved. (Eph. 1:11, Romans 12:3; 1 Cor. 12:3, Eph. 2:8-9, depravity of man makes him unable to chose)
6. 1 Corinthians 13:6 "Love rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth in the truth." Again, LOVE is defined as rejoicing and God does not rejoice over those going to hell; rather, those He saves.

So, define love (hopefully from the bible) and then determine if God loves Satan and those he sends to hell.

My answer is that in the book of John it states explicitly that God is love. To answer your question I would have to know God a lot more fully than I presently do.

About those going to hell, I don't believe that the bible lists a single individual who is definitely in hell at this moment. Hell is a punishment, a loving parent who punishes their child still loves them nevertheless. I would surmise that God is lot more loving than any parent could ever be. God created Lucifer who was the angel of light. Lucifer rebelled against his creator. God is going to punish him but that is not to say that God no longer loves Satan.

I don't know if God actually loves those that are going to hell with Satan but can only offer my thoughts and the thought process involved. I hope this is of some clarity Fast Eddy.

 

[EleventhHour]

Add to the list:
Question 11:
... Since you believe Jesus died for everyone.
... Since you believe God knew who would accept Him salvifically.
Why did Christ sacrifice himself in vain (producing no result; useless) ???????

God does not make me a liar.

You cannot ever say in a public meeting to the sinners in their audience, or t, The Lord Jesus Christ died for your sins on the Cross, and all that you have to do is to "BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST" .

Question 12:
Christ is the High Priest.
... Since the function of the High Priest is to offer a sacrifice without blemish (in this case Himself)
... Since the function of the High Priest is to intercede for his flock to God
... Since Christ and God the Father (and the Spirit) are of one essence and have the same thoughts, understanding and purpose
Why is it that Christ intercedes for never-to-be redeemed... why does He intercede in vain (producing no result; useless) ?????

Christ intercedes for the believers ... He is our Advocate to the Father.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Question 11:
... Since you believe Jesus died for everyone.
... Since you believe God knew who would accept Him salvifically.
Why did Christ sacrifice himself in vain (producing no result; useless) ???????

God does not make me a liar.

You cannot ever say in a public meeting to the sinners in their audience, or t, The Lord Jesus Christ died for your sins on the Cross, and all that you have to do is to "BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST" .

My Response: I don't understand the relevance of your statement "God does not make me a liar.". So I can't respond to it.
Sorry, I didn't understand the relevance of your 2nd statement either.
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Question 12:
Christ is the High Priest.
... Since the function of the High Priest is to offer a sacrifice without blemish (in this case Himself)
... Since the function of the High Priest is to intercede for his flock to God
... Since Christ and God the Father (and the Spirit) are of one essence and have the same thoughts, understanding and purpose
Why is it that Christ intercedes for never-to-be redeemed... why does He intercede in vain (producing no result; useless) ?????
The question basically was: Did Jesus die for unbelievers and if so, why is this an exercise in futility by God.

Christ intercedes for the believers ... He is our Advocate to the Father.

While I agree with your statement, it does not address my question. I will try again.
Given the statement that you believe Jesus, the high priest gave himself as a sacrifice for everyone (John 3:16). Given part of the duties of the high priest is to intercede for the people.

Now the question...
Does Christ intercede to the Father for unbelievers?
..... If you does and since He knows they will not come to Him,
.................why does he do this function which produces no result; useless/futile/of no purpose?
else if Christ does not intercede for non-believers
................. why does this not show that Jesus does not love everyone?
................. why would Christ die for unbelievers and yet not intercede for them?

Thank you

 

[JesusLives]

Two points:

1. It statement contains circular reasoning. You assume God is loving everyone in the statement "He is not doing himself". Then, using this assumption you come to the conclusion "I say God loves everyone". Circular Logic Example: I am smart therefore I am intelligent.
2. Just to humor your faulty argument. God tells Israel that the high priest must come from the Tribe of Levi. God himself appoints our High Priest (Christ) from the tribe of Judah. God has not done something he asked us to do. Therefore, even if you can construct a non circular argument you can not use the premise that God would not "tell us to do something that He is not doing Himself". But this is about GOD'S LOVE, not ours. To conflate the two is like saying my love for my wife is the same as my love for apple pie.

Question 11:
... Since you believe Jesus died for everyone.
... Since you believe God knew who would accept Him salvifically.
Why did Christ sacrifice himself in vain (producing no result; useless) ???????

Why if life can be saved would you think it is useless? It isn't God's fault that people refuse the gift of salvation He has made it available for all men but not all men choose salvation. That is the free will God has given us to choose whether to serve Him or not.


Question 12:
Christ is the High Priest.
... Since the function of the High Priest is to offer a sacrifice without blemish (in this case Himself)
... Since the function of the High Priest is to intercede for his flock to God
... Since Christ and God the Father (and the Spirit) are of one essence and have the same thoughts, understanding and purpose
Why is it that Christ intercedes for never-to-be redeemed ... why does He intercede in vain (producing no result; useless) ?????

Why are you asking me this question when we are talking about love I am not addressing the High Priest function so this doesn't make sense to me??

Question 13:
.... 1 Corinthians 13:6 "Love rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth in the truth."
Seeing as you believe God loves everyone. How is it God does not rejoice in His love for the unredeemed?

God hates sin and He would never rejoice in that. He loves the lost because He knows they need a Him even when they don't realize it themselves. We were all lost at some point in our life and we accepted God, because He was working on our hearts and we listened. There are many more lost out there who need help in finding the God who loves them one of the reasons we are commissioned to go and tell them the good news. So the other lost or sinners in this case can make the choice to accept God and the gift of salvation. The Holy Spirit uses us to help bring sinners to God because God loves them and wants them to repent and reconcile to Him.

Some on your side of the argument have said:

1. God can be repulsed by those He loves
2. God love means "taking pleasure" ... so one deduces God takes pleasure in the wicked
3. God can love the unrepentant, unbelieving wicked (unbelievers)
4. Apparently, God loves those in whom He does not rejoice
5. God can love people whose father is Satan

Our father was Satan too before we accepted God maybe we didn't know it but God got through to us. What makes you think He can't get through to them too?

Your sides bar is set very low for whom God can love and thus the meaning of God's Love. So low that it has little meaning in my opinion. Your side is somewhat hesitant IMO to define love. My guess is that their definition will conflict with the thesis of "GOD LOVES EVERYONE'; thus the low bar set on the meaning of GOD'S LOVE.

My bar is much more difficult to achieve. God's love is a volition volition to favor those that are morally perfect (Christ and those In Christ) and thus more lovely.
...If he loves himself, he cannot but love the resemblance of himself, and the image of his own goodness. He loves himself, because he is the highest goodness and excellency; and loves everything as it resembles himself, because it is an efflux [outflowing] of his own goodness; and as he doth necessarily love himself, and his own excellency, so he doth necessarily love anything that resembles that excellency, which is the primary object of his esteem.
....Real love hates moral evil and clings to righteousness. It is also an error to interpret “God is love” to mean God is only love…using love as a paring knife to cut away his power, justice, holiness and wrath against sin, leaves only unconditional acceptance.

You are going to have to take that part up with whoever wrote the Bible verse then because that is what it states it doesn't go into your long confusing conclusions.

Two points:

1. It statement contains circular reasoning. You assume God is loving everyone in the statement "He is not doing himself". Then, using this assumption you come to the conclusion "I say God loves everyone". Circular Logic Example: I am smart therefore I am intelligent.
2. Just to humor your faulty argument. God tells Israel that the high priest must come from the Tribe of Levi. God himself appoints our High Priest (Christ) from the tribe of Judah. God has not done something he asked us to do. Therefore, even if you can construct a non circular argument you can not use the premise that God would not "tell us to do something that He is not doing Himself". But this is about GOD'S LOVE, not ours. To conflate the two is like saying my love for my wife is the same as my love for apple pie.

Question 11:
... Since you believe Jesus died for everyone.
... Since you believe God knew who would accept Him salvifically.
Why did Christ sacrifice himself in vain (producing no result; useless) ???????

Question 12:
Christ is the High Priest.
... Since the function of the High Priest is to offer a sacrifice without blemish (in this case Himself)
... Since the function of the High Priest is to intercede for his flock to God
... Since Christ and God the Father (and the Spirit) are of one essence and have the same thoughts, understanding and purpose
Why is it that Christ intercedes for never-to-be redeemed ... why does He intercede in vain (producing no result; useless) ?????

Question 13:
.... 1 Corinthians 13:6 "Love rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth in the truth."
Seeing as you believe God loves everyone. How is it God does not rejoice in His love for the unredeemed?

Some on your side of the argument have said:

1. God can be repulsed by those He loves
2. God love means "taking pleasure" ... so one deduces God takes pleasure in the wicked
3. God can love the unrepentant, unbelieving wicked (unbelievers)
4. Apparently, God loves those in whom He does not rejoice
5. God can love people whose father is Satan

Your sides bar is set very low for whom God can love and thus the meaning of God's Love. So low that it has little meaning in my opinion. Your side is somewhat hesitant IMO to define love. My guess is that their definition will conflict with the thesis of "GOD LOVES EVERYONE'; thus the low bar set on the meaning of GOD'S LOVE.

My bar is much more difficult to achieve. God's love is a volition volition to favor those that are morally perfect (Christ and those In Christ) and thus more lovely.
...If he loves himself, he cannot but love the resemblance of himself, and the image of his own goodness. He loves himself, because he is the highest goodness and excellency; and loves everything as it resembles himself, because it is an efflux [outflowing] of his own goodness; and as he doth necessarily love himself, and his own excellency, so he doth necessarily love anything that resembles that excellency, which is the primary object of his esteem.
....Real love hates moral evil and clings to righteousness. It is also an error to interpret “God is love” to mean God is only love…using love as a paring knife to cut away his power, justice, holiness and wrath against sin, leaves only unconditional acceptance.

I responded to you in the BLUE above and this below....

God is love…..
1 John 4:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

You will have to take it up with the one that wrote this Bible verse.

 

[Sipsey]

With all the competing definitions of real Love, I thought I would post this from a lady that displayed it as she lived her life.
“This love of which I speak is slow to lose patience - it looks for a way of being constructive.
Love is not possessive.
Love is not anxious to impress nor does it cherish inflated ideas of its own ideas.
Love has good manners and does not pursue selfish advantage.
Love is not touchy.
Love does not keep account of evil or gloat over the wickedness of other people. On the contrary, it is glad with all good men when truth prevails.
Love knows no limits to its endurance, no end to its trust, no fading of its hope; it can outlast anything. It is, in fact, the one thing that stands when all else has fallen.”

― Elisabeth Elliot, Let Me Be a Woman

 

[Angela53510]

God created Lucifer too who became Satan the Devil....God is his creator. Not sure if there is a Bible text to back that up. But I do know that Lucifer wanted to be or take God's position or at least be equal to God and could not happen as he is not God but a creation of God.

Isaiah 14:12-15


Chapter Parallel Compare

12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! 13 You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” 15 But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit.

I simply do not understand why you are bending over backwards to defend Satan over and over. You do not need to defend God, he can do it a lot better than any of us. But this constant pointing how God created Lucifer is not called for. Satan has tried to destroy the world. He is evil and every bad quality.

God will not love this evil character in the Biblical drama. He will not love him, ever. You have stretched you credibility to the limit by trying to defend the devil. You admit he is evil and bad, which is true, then you go back to harping on God loving him.

One last try. Post the Bible verses that say God loves Satan. Even the verses you posted above say Satan was arrogant and full of pride, ungodly characteristics.

Stop making things up that are not in the Bible. Stop making your opinions more important than what is actually in the Bible to prove your point!

If the Bible says it, I will believe it! But the fact it, the Bible NEVER says God loves Satan, not even if he repents. You need to clean up your theology, and base it in the truth of the Bible, not wishful thinking based on extra-biblical misinformation!

 

[acts5_29]

A lot of this discussion is predicated on what you consider "love" to be.

I got more insight into this topic the hard way, at a very difficult point in my life. I was breaking up with my girlfriend. The thought crossed my mind to say, "I love you". And even, "I'm breaking up with you because I care about you." I don't know, I guess I wanted her to feel better, hate me less, or something. But I immediately decided against saying that, because it is obviously hypocritical to say "I love you" even as you are breaking up with her. Yet there was an element of truth to it. I became all the more keen of my feelings for her as I realized I was breaking up with her, and severely hurting possibly the one person I cared for the most. Worst of all, I was not going to be there for her in the aftermath. I couldn't be--that's not how breaking up works. And yes, as a matter of fact: I *was* breaking up with her because I cared about her. I was keeping her from finding her future husband by continuing to date her (and P.S. lo and behold, she did find him not long thereafter).

But yes: on certain levels I did love her. But it's kind of hard to explain that when you just broke up with her. It was entirely my decision. No one made me do it.

 

[JesusLives]

I simply do not understand why you are bending over backwards to defend Satan over and over. You do not need to defend God, he can do it a lot better than any of us. But this constant pointing how God created Lucifer is not called for. Satan has tried to destroy the world. He is evil and every bad quality.

God will not love this evil character in the Biblical drama. He will not love him, ever. You have stretched you credibility to the limit by trying to defend the devil. You admit he is evil and bad, which is true, then you go back to harping on God loving him.

One last try. Post the Bible verses that say God loves Satan. Even the verses you posted above say Satan was arrogant and full of pride, ungodly characteristics.

Stop making things up that are not in the Bible. Stop making your opinions more important than what is actually in the Bible to prove your point!

If the Bible says it, I will believe it! But the fact it, the Bible NEVER says God loves Satan, not even if he repents. You need to clean up your theology, and base it in the truth of the Bible, not wishful thinking based on extra-biblical misinformation!

I am not defending Satan. He is evil, he hates us and everything that has to do with God. I just said that I believe God loved His creation but not what Satan became.

I don't know how people can read the verse God is love and then think that God hates His creation. I believe God loves His creation as at the end of everything He created He pronounced it good. In the first several chapters of Genesis.

In Ezekiel chapter 28 part of the chapter is describing Satan.... He was in the Garden of Eden, he was a covering cherub, he became prideful and wanted to be equal to God and he was thrown from heaven to the earth. Revelation 12:4