"God loves everyone" - false

[Fastfredy0]

@eternally-gratefull

Question 7:
Given:
John 14:21 “He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father… 23 If a man loves Me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him”
1 John 4:19 We love, because He first loved us.
Since:
1) God only loves the obedient only - verse 21 says “[they] shall be loved by the father” it indicates Christians (the elect) only
2) God only loves those that love Him - verse 21
3) Only those who obey God love God - verse 23 and they love because God loved them first (ver. 1 John 4:19)
We can conclude that some undefined measurement of obedience (love) must be present in all believers to be loved by God who only loves Christians.

…………. What is wrong with the logic of question 7

What is the measurement?

If there must be a measurement, then you must define it. Otherwise we could never know we have eternal life. And again, John said he wrote things so we can KNOW we have it.

My Response: Poorly constructed question on my part. Withdrawn

Question 8:
Can you give examples of biblical person's name(s) we know went to hell (someone nit-picked and said people not in hell yet .. you get what I mean) that God said He loved. Admittedly, no examples do not prove my point but is circumstantial evidence, but is strong evidence for yours.

Do not understand question. You will need more than this. A parent loves a child. But if the child acts up. The parent still punishes the child.

My Response: Well, if you could give a biblical reference to someone we know is in hell that God says He loves specifically, then I would cede that to be strong evidence that God loves everyone without exception. Example: Cain I loved … or Judas Iscariot I love you. I grant that a lack of such a statement does not prove my point and is only circumstantial. It would be strong evidence for your contention though IMO. (aside DanielT understood my intention)



Question 9:
Give examples of biblical person's name(s) we know went to heaven that God said He hated or loathed or was repulsed by. Admittedly, no examples do not prove my point but is circumstantial evidence, but is strong evidence for yours.

Again, Do not see where this relates
My Response: Similar logic to Question 8

Question 10:
Assuming God loves everyone, one assume God would not favor any group of people and therefore each group would be represented in heaven by relatively proportional numbers. Assuming you agree with this statement … Why do we see such disproportionality. Consider: 1 Corinthians 1:26 Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

Straight and narrow gate to god, and few enter in
Wide gate to destruction. MANY enter in.
Your question again makes no sense

My Response: Well, the question uses empirical observation to determine the plausibility of the statement that GOD LOVES EVERYONE.

Premise1: God loves everyone that same amount

Premise2: God gives everyone the same opportunity to be saved

Conclusion: We should observe roughly the same proportions of salvation among different groups of people



Example: I pick of 1,000 Chinese and 1,000 Israelites and 1,000 babies in 200 B.C. If God (1) shows no favoritism and (2) loves everyone the same amount … then roughly the same number of people from each group will be in heaven.

Now, for these groups in the year 200 B.C. we can ‘guess’ how many people are in heaven.

1. 1,000 Chinese - 0 are in heaven (assume none heard the gospel so none saved … lost and without hope)
2. 1,000 Israelites – 50 are in heaven (I have little idea of exact number… God seems to save a remnant .. served my purpose for the demo … chosen people of God in 200 B.C.)
3. 1,000 babies – 100% in heaven (assumes all babies go to heaven)

So, these observations fit my definition of love as God choses who goes to heaven. This equivalent to who he loves: those that are most lovely in His sight.

We should see similar numbers saved in all 3 groups if God loves everyone without exception the same amount; yet, we don’t. Why is that? Is God showing favoritism? Why does God not give the people of these 3 groups equal opportunity if He loves everyone without exception the same???



Enjoyed the conversation. Thanks for taking the time to answer my queries. That was thoughtful of you.

 

[Fastfredy0]

I believe God loves everyone including Satan.

You have not defined LOVE, so it could be a difference of definition.
Since he is infinitely good, he cannot but love goodness Psalm 11:7 “The righteous Lord loveth righteousness,” as it is a resemblance to himself, and cannot but abhor unrighteousness Psalm 11:6A Upon the wicked (godless) He will rain coals of fire, as being most distant from him, and contrary to him. If he have any esteem for his own perfections, he must needs have an implacable aversion to all that is so repugnant to him, that would, if it were possible, destroy him, and is a point directed, not only against his glory, but against his life. If he did not hate it, he would hate himself: for since righteousness is his image, and sin would deface his image; if he did not love his image, and loathe what is against his image, he would loathe himself, he would be an enemy to his own nature. Nay, if it were possible for him to love it, it were possible for him not to be holy, it were possible then for him to deny himself, and will that he were no God, which is a palpable contradiction.

Otherwise why would He have sent Jesus to die for us for our sins if He didn't love us?

Well, the answer from my point of view is that God did not die for everyone without exception. He died for believers only and they are the only ones God loves. Believer's are IN CHRIST and therefore have the righteousness of Christ and are perfectly moral and thus acceptable to a Holy God who cannot look upon darkness (sin).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

@eternally-gratefull

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions. I enjoyed our previous repartee. Below are my responses.

Question 0: Define LOVE in the context of God's LOVES everyone.



My Response: My definition of love is: A volition to favor according to the loveliness of the object where the loveliness of the object is determined by its closeness to moral perfection (In Christ being morally perfect).

I find your definition of love to be lacking substance (IMO) and I therefore I’m not exactly sure how you are relating to the question at hand: ”Does God Love Everyone”. I take your definition to be Love = unconditional (never changing) with which I am in agreement as God in immutable. But God’s holiness, goodness, power, etc. etc. also fits your definition IMO. Anyways, I would wish more clarity.

Tom Constable defines "Love" (agape) means doing what is best for another person … Is that your definition? I agree with this definition also though it does not identify the reason for God’s love.

i will be honest I do not know how you can read scripture and come up with this view, God tells us love based not on the object, but based on his love,, since he had to love us not based on how righteous we are, because if that was the requirement, he would love no one, not one living soul has lived up to Gods standard

My Response: Well, I exegete the verse differently .. so we are at an impasse on that question. You say “unity is a poor translation”; yet, several translations use it. Some used your meaning also … so who is to say.

τελειότης, -ητος, ἡ, (τέλειος, q. v.), perfection;
a. i. e. the state of the more intelligent: Heb. 6:1 [here R. V. mrg. full growth].
b. perfection: (τῆς ἀγάπης, Clem. Rom. 1 Cor. 50, 1 [where see Harnack]); absol. moral and spiritual perfection, Col. 3:14 [A.V. perfectness], on which pass. see σύνδεσμος, 1. (Prov. 11:3 Alex.; Judg. 9:16, 19; Sap. 6:16; 12:17; Clem. Rom. 1 Cor. 53, 5; Plat. deff. p. 412 b. d.; [Aristot. phys. 3, 6 p. 207, 21; 8, 7 p. 261, 36]; Antonin. 5, 15.) [Cf. reff. s. v. τέλειος, and B. Hartung, Der Begriff der τελειότης im N. T. (4to. Leipz. 1881).]*
Also, why did you not respond to the rest of what I said? This was not even my main point, my main point was that this perfection ONLY given to those who put on this love, which means it was a choice, it does not say it was never offered to anyone else, which was your. Is take in trying to use it,

My Response: I see your point. I would respond that IMO God died exclusively for only those that would be made holy by God. Ephesians 1:4 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love … Thus, God’s glory is not soured by the loving (favoring to the point of dying for) of something that is repugnant (sinless) to Him.

scripture still says he died for all.. Eph 1 does nothing to disprove that fact, Eph 1 does is state god chose to predestine those who would believe (Eph 1:13]

My Response: We are agreed IMO that those that have not heard the gospel are accountable and without excuse. My point though is: that 100% of those that did not hear the gospel go to hell, whereas those that hear the gospel at least have a improved chance to be saved. Thus, why does God not give them a BETTER chance to be saved like those that hear the gospel? Does God not love everyone the same amount and ergo, give everyone an equal chance of salvation?

yet they did hear the gospel. Many people will be in heaven and never heard of Jesus

your reasoning is faulty in my view

My Response: So, you believe God loves those that he is repulsed by? If so, my definition of love has a caveat that yours does not. I believe God love’s those in accordance to the loveliness of the person. Those in Christ being perfectly lovely/moral.

Your definition could be modified to state IMO that God’s love is not affected by the repulsiveness of the object of his love. (Caveat: I am putting words in your mouth, so please clarify any misconstruction on my part).

God is repulsed by sin,
he died for the sinner,, which includes you and me,, if sinners repulsed god we did also hence the problem with your reasoning once again

 

[eternally-gratefull]

@eternally-gratefull


My Response: Well, if you could give a biblical reference to someone we know is in hell that God says He loves specifically, then I would cede that to be strong evidence that God loves everyone without exception. Example: Cain I loved … or Judas Iscariot I love you. I grant that a lack of such a statement does not prove my point and is only circumstantial. It would be strong evidence for your contention though IMO. (aside DanielT understood my intention)


My Response: Similar logic to Question 8

yet it would not determine my understanding. So again, inconsequential. If you need this proof. In spite of everything else. I can not help you.

it does not matter to me if you come to my view. So it is not up to me to prove anything to you

to me they are probing questions, it is like you are trying to convince yourself you are right, Which is the conclusion I came with out last conversation

My Response: Well, the question uses empirical observation to determine the plausibility of the statement that GOD LOVES EVERYONE.

Premise1: God loves everyone that same amount

Premise2: God gives everyone the same opportunity to be saved

Conclusion: We should observe roughly the same proportions of salvation among different groups of people



Example: I pick of 1,000 Chinese and 1,000 Israelites and 1,000 babies in 200 B.C. If God (1) shows no favoritism and (2) loves everyone the same amount … then roughly the same number of people from each group will be in heaven.

Now, for these groups in the year 200 B.C. we can ‘guess’ how many people are in heaven.

1. 1,000 Chinese - 0 are in heaven (assume none heard the gospel so none saved … lost and without hope)
2. 1,000 Israelites – 50 are in heaven (I have little idea of exact number… God seems to save a remnant .. served my purpose for the demo … chosen people of God in 200 B.C.)
3. 1,000 babies – 100% in heaven (assumes all babies go to heaven)

So, these observations fit my definition of love as God choses who goes to heaven. This equivalent to who he loves: those that are most lovely in His sight.

We should see similar numbers saved in all 3 groups if God loves everyone without exception the same amount; yet, we don’t. Why is that? Is God showing favoritism? Why does God not give the people of these 3 groups equal opportunity if He loves everyone without exception the same???



Enjoyed the conversation. Thanks for taking the time to answer my queries. That was thoughtful of you.

again, your pre is is one way, and in my view flawed. I see no reason to think their would be any equality amount people’s. The only way I could see using this, again, is to prove to myself my thinking is correct, otherwise. I woudl never even consider such a thing, because it is not found by anything scriptural

 

[Fastfredy0]

God is repulsed by sin. Thus people who commit sin repulse god.

But the fact he died for them PROVES he loved them

I was hoping you would expand your statement about ... God's loving that which repulses Him if you could. A holy God loves that which is unholy.
Def'n of repulse: cause (someone) to feel intense distaste and aversion.
Def'n of holy: Moral purity, separation from evil.
........“God is light, and in him is no darkness at all” (1 John 1:5)
........Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity” (Habakkuk 1:13a).

Is there anything God does not love?

 

[Magenta]

Is there anything God does not love?

Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV)

16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was hoping you would expand your statement about ... God's loving that which repulses Him if you could. A holy God loves that which is unholy.
Def'n of repulse: cause (someone) to feel intense distaste and aversion.
Def'n of holy: Moral purity, separation from evil.
........“God is light, and in him is no darkness at all” (1 John 1:5)
........Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity” (Habakkuk 1:13a).

Is there anything God does not love?

Again, it seems you are just seeking

i have already seen, so to continue, you asked, I answered better to let it go

i have made my belief known to you in the last month, you have given me no reason the change that belief,

 

[dcontroversal]

God is God and there are many truths thay come into play....

a. Yes, God, by his very nature does not change, nor is he unjust, unfair, yet he is GOD...let us not forget that fact while trying to humanize his lofty nature and bring him down to our level.

b. God "is" love and this "be verb" speaks volumes, yet he is also SPIRIT and LIGHT....yet we read -->As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

C. God also tells us to love our enemies and yet inpires David to write the following under inspiration, and I will remind everyone, a cursory read of the Psalms points to the truth that even though the Psalms are given by David, typiphy the life of David, they point to Christ-->I hate them with the utmost hatred; They have become my enemies.

D. God has an end in mind ALWAYS when it comes to this grand experiment under the sun and knew full well that the "anointed cherub that covereth" would fall by pride and 7 statements of assertion as in--> "I WILL"

Even though the above is true...I have not seen one verse that implies, indicates or states that God loved the devil, either now or before he fell....they (the angels that kept not their first estate) and the devil have NOT BEEN offered the redemption found under the banner of love aimed squarely at human beings....!

Just saying!

 

[Fastfredy0]

Is there anything God does not love?

Your response:

Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV)

16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

So, I take it that you also, like @eternally-gratefull, believe a Holy God loves those that by whom He is repulsed (cause to feel intense distaste and aversion, a strong dislike or disinclination).
It is a strange and I think contradictory statement to believe God loves evil people and shows His love by sending them to hell for eternity.

God is repulsed by sin. Thus people who commit sin repulse god.

But the fact he died for them PROVES he loved them

Interesting logic. Thank you for your point of view.

Aside: Is there any totally repulsive, sinful being that God does not love? Do you think God loves Satan also???

 

[tourist]

Your response:


So, I take it that you also, like @eternally-gratefull, believe a Holy God loves those that by whom He is repulsed (cause to feel intense distaste and aversion, a strong dislike or disinclination).
It is a strange and I think contradictory statement to believe God loves evil people and shows His love by sending them to hell for eternity.



Interesting logic. Thank you for your point of view.

Aside: Is there any totally repulsive, sinful being that God does not love? Do you think God loves Satan also???

I don't know the answer to that question but do know that God created Lucifer who became Satan. As God is love it does appear possible that God does indeed love Satan but that is just conjecture on my part.

 

[Angela53510]

If anyone of these wicked or Satan had a change of heart and repented would not God take them back? Of the wicked I would say yes, that God would take them back. But Satan already had a chance to change and didn't take it and sealed his fate when he killed Jesus so no I don't believe Satan would at this point be forgiven as he went too far.

Seeing how God has given humans a chance to choose Him and be saved I am sure God also gave Lucifer a chance to change also but he didn't take it and became Satan and showed the universe how evil he was by killing Jesus through the Jewish people. God is a God of love who gives chances to change but God is also a God of Justice and there will come a day when the lake of fire burns hot and destroys the wicked, Satan and the last enemy to be destroyed is death. I realize God will put an end to the evil and wickedness and purify the earth and I long for the day when Satan is not whispering in my ear to tempt me to do something against what God would have me to do which is to obey Him. Where we will all be in harmony again and living with God as one with no more sin....Yes, come Lord Jesus.

Dead men don't have changes of heart. Neither do demons and Satan. I don't agree with your statement that "God has given humans a chance to choose Him and be saved." We are dead people until God saves us. Only God can make us alive. I know I had nothing in me to make me believe or change. And I tried. But, when God reached out and made me alive in Christ, that is when I knew God's love!

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" 2 Cor. 5:17

Plus, you never defend you "opinions" by quoting the Bible. You can give your opinions all you want, but the only way you will prove to me you are right is by quoting the Bible. It's all there, the truth about Jesus, and how we are saved.

I do agree with Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus!

 

[JesusLives]

Dead men don't have changes of heart. Neither do demons and Satan. I don't agree with your statement that "God has given humans a chance to choose Him and be saved." We are dead people until God saves us. Only God can make us alive. I know I had nothing in me to make me believe or change. And I tried. But, when God reached out and made me alive in Christ, that is when I knew God's love!

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" 2 Cor. 5:17

Plus, you never defend you "opinions" by quoting the Bible. You can give your opinions all you want, but the only way you will prove to me you are right is by quoting the Bible. It's all there, the truth about Jesus, and how we are saved.

I do agree with Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus!

I never said dead men have a change of heart but when they were alive they had the same chance to change and accept God as we do. God gives people who don't know Him the same free will that we all have to do right or wrong everyday we aren't robots forced to choose Him or to not choose Him. I don't quite know where you are coming from with some of your statements as you are reading more or adding to my statements than is there.

I am sure at some point we have both read the King James Version of the Bible. Not really sure what I said originally to set you off as I thought we were the friendly sort that might have a differing opinion at times. Because we have different opinions doesn't mean to me that one or the other of us need to repent for an opinion. I don't think you need to repent because you don't believe that God loves everyone. I don't need to repent because I believe He does love everyone, but He doesn't love for them to sin or continue in it. Jesus died for everyone but not everyone chooses to accept the gift of salvation. Those that don't will be destroyed but God loves them in spite of their terrible choice my belief and opinion and it doesn't have to be yours you can have a different one and I'm o.k. with that. This is just a discussion not a I'm right your wrong - just two different opinions.

 

[JesusLives]

You have not defined LOVE, so it could be a difference of definition.
Since he is infinitely good, he cannot but love goodness Psalm 11:7 “The righteous Lord loveth righteousness,” as it is a resemblance to himself, and cannot but abhor unrighteousness Psalm 11:6A Upon the wicked (godless) He will rain coals of fire, as being most distant from him, and contrary to him. If he have any esteem for his own perfections, he must needs have an implacable aversion to all that is so repugnant to him, that would, if it were possible, destroy him, and is a point directed, not only against his glory, but against his life. If he did not hate it, he would hate himself: for since righteousness is his image, and sin would deface his image; if he did not love his image, and loathe what is against his image, he would loathe himself, he would be an enemy to his own nature. Nay, if it were possible for him to love it, it were possible for him not to be holy, it were possible then for him to deny himself, and will that he were no God, which is a palpable contradiction.

Well, the answer from my point of view is that God did not die for everyone without exception. He died for believers only and they are the only ones God loves. Believer's are IN CHRIST and therefore have the righteousness of Christ and are perfectly moral and thus acceptable to a Holy God who cannot look upon darkness (sin).

Do you have children? If you do then do you only love the ones that are good all the time and do what you tell them to? How could you have a child with your DNA and not love them even when they do bad? We are all God's creation He made us why would He make us and then Hate us because we did bad? He's not a very good creator then and would be a terrible parent. That is why I say God loves us because He is our creator.

I don't like it when my daughter doesn't make the right choice, but I don't hate her, I try to help her see the error and then she may or may not make a change for the better, but I still love her just not the choice she made.

 

[JesusLives]

Fastfredy0

I agree that God will destroy the wicked but I believe that He loves them and it will be a hard thing for Him to destroy them but they chose sin and didn't repent and accept the sacrifice of Jesus. So it is the wicked that doesn't love God not God not loving the people He created. He showed His love for all of us good and bad with the sacrifice that Jesus made giving His life for all of us.

 

[Angela53510]

I never said dead men have a change of heart but when they were alive they had the same chance to change and accept God as we do. God gives people who don't know Him the same free will that we all have to do right or wrong everyday we aren't robots forced to choose Him or to not choose Him. I don't quite know where you are coming from with some of your statements as you are reading more or adding to my statements than is there.

I am sure at some point we have both read the King James Version of the Bible. Not really sure what I said originally to set you off as I thought we were the friendly sort that might have a differing opinion at times. Because we have different opinions doesn't mean to me that one or the other of us need to repent for an opinion. I don't think you need to repent because you don't believe that God loves everyone. I don't need to repent because I believe He does love everyone, but He doesn't love for them to sin or continue in it. Jesus died for everyone but not everyone chooses to accept the gift of salvation. Those that don't will be destroyed but God loves them in spite of their terrible choice my belief and opinion and it doesn't have to be yours you can have a different one and I'm o.k. with that. This is just a discussion not a I'm right your wrong - just two different opinions.

You have an opinion. I have a theology based on the Bible. Like I said earlier in this thread, if you posted Bible verses to support your position, that would be one thing. But you don't. You just keep repeating your opinions. Which is your right, although different than using the words of the Bible to back your theology.

I'm also sorry about your misunderstanding about my comment about dead men. I was not referring to the physical body, but to the spirit. So there are many people physically alive, but spiritually dead. In other words, unsaved people cannot make a decision to change, because they are spiritually dead.

"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved." Eph 2:1-5

"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions," Col 2:13

These passages clearly state that we are dead in our sins. Both passages also states God made us alive. He did this by forgiving our sins. There is no decisional regeneration, no free will, just God taking us from death to life. No choices, just repenting after God saved us. God knows those whom he saves will repent. That is obedience to the living God, who made us living creatures in Christ.

You can go ahead believing your erroneous opinions, unless you can quote a number of Bible passages to defend your position. But when you tell a heretical lie, like "God loves Satan" I must speak up. I consider you a friend. But when you post untrue conjecture not based on the Bible, then I will present my theology backed by the Bible. I do not want non-Christians or new Christians to read this kind of nonsense and leave it unchallenged. I hope you understand.

 

[Magenta]

So, I take it that you also, like @eternally-gratefull, believe a Holy God loves those that by whom He is repulsed (cause to feel intense distaste and aversion, a strong dislike or disinclination).
It is a strange and I think contradictory statement to believe God loves evil people and shows His love by sending them to hell for eternity.

I see nothing unloving about weeding a garden.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have an opinion. I have a theology based on the Bible.

Sorry
but he has an opinion and you have an opinion
and you both can use scripture but it does not mean you are rigjt

 

[EleventhHour]

God is repulsed by sin. Thus people who commit sin repulse god.

But the fact he died for them PROVES he loved them

Amen and Amen!!

 

[Fastfredy0]

I don't know the answer to that question but do know that God created Lucifer who became Satan. As God is love it does appear possible that God does indeed love Satan but that is just conjecture on my part.

Well, you must define love.

Eternally-gratefull says God loves those he is repulsed by. To quote "God is repulsed by sin. Thus people who commit sin repulse god.
But the fact he died for them PROVES he loved them"

Eleventhhour agrees with Eternally-gratefull ... thus she believes God loves those he is repulsed by. She also posted in #181 that love is "wish well to, take pleasure in". So she believe God loves those He wishes well (thought sends to hell), 'takes pleasure in' and 'is repulsed by'. So God wished well to those He is repulsed by as they give Him pleasure.

I define love as "volitional favor towards an object according to the loveliness of the object. God loving Himself most as He is the most lovely, then lovely those In Christ as they are morally perfect by having the imputation of Christ's sacrifice and His righteousness. The wrath of God remains on the remainder of mankind. I base my definition on

1. God's holiness (He is morally perfect and separated from evil).
2. Also Col. 3:14 saying love is a bond of unity.
3. Amos 3:3 That two cannot walk together unless they are agreed
4. Empirical evidence .... Those in heaven are favored, those in hell are not favored
5. God chooses who is saved. (Eph. 1:11, Romans 12:3; 1 Cor. 12:3, Eph. 2:8-9, depravity of man makes him unable to chose)
6. 1 Corinthians 13:6 "Love rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth in the truth." Again, LOVE is defined as rejoicing and God does not rejoice over those going to hell; rather, those He saves.

So, define love (hopefully from the bible) and then determine if God loves Satan and those he sends to hell.

 

[EleventhHour]

Well, you must define love.

Eternally-gratefull says God loves those he is repulsed by. To quote "God is repulsed by sin. Thus people who commit sin repulse god.
But the fact he died for them PROVES he loved them"

Eleventhhour agrees with Eternally-gratefull ... thus she believes God loves those he is repulsed by. She also posted in #181 that love is "wish well to, take pleasure in". So she believe God loves those He wishes well (thought sends to hell), 'takes pleasure in' and 'is repulsed by'. So God wished well to those He is repulsed by as they give Him pleasure.

I define love as "volitional favor towards an object according to the loveliness of the object. God loving Himself most as He is the most lovely, then lovely those In Christ as they are morally perfect by having the imputation of Christ's sacrifice and His righteousness. The wrath of God remains on the remainder of mankind. I base my definition on

1. God's holiness (He is morally perfect and separated from evil).
2. Also Col. 3:14 saying love is a bond of unity.
3. Amos 3:3 That two cannot walk together unless they are agreed
4. Empirical evidence .... Those in heaven are favored, those in hell are not favored
5. God chooses who is saved. (Eph. 1:11, Romans 12:3; 1 Cor. 12:3, Eph. 2:8-9, depravity of man makes him unable to chose)
6. 1 Corinthians 13:6 "Love rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth in the truth." Again, LOVE is defined as rejoicing and God does not rejoice over those going to hell; rather, those He saves.

So, define love (hopefully from the bible) and then determine if God loves Satan and those he sends to hell.

Ultimately, I think your view that God does not love the un-redeemed is to support your view of "limited atonement" and skewed view of predestination.

The two are tied together... in my experience people who accept one also accept the other.

I personally think it not really possible to fully understand God's Love nor His Hate.

But scripture is clear ..."for God so loved the world" .. that is not only believers the next line shows why.

I am also quite sure that to divide Jesus into two stating only his "human side" loved sinners is sheer folly.... the most horrendous understanding ever to support a faulty dogma.