Prophecy, it’s not what most think.
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I believe in a historicist interpretation of biblical prophesy.
i believe biblical prophesy is too obscure to interpret on its own. biblical prophesy is a testimony that must be matched with the historical record, which is another form of witness.
only together can prophesy be understood. they have to be fit together like teeth of a zipper.
the more consecutive pieces or clues of the prophesy u fit to the historical record w/o creating a contridiction, the more confidence you can have in it.
the geneva bible is a good source, but 420 years has elapsed since its notes were written.
today we are in a better position to interpret prophesy since we have 420 more years of historical record to match with.
how many others on this site and at your church have u encountered which favor the historicist approach?
i believe biblical prophesy is too obscure to interpret on its own. biblical prophesy is a testimony that must be matched with the historical record, which is another form of witness.
only together can prophesy be understood. they have to be fit together like teeth of a zipper.
the more consecutive pieces or clues of the prophesy u fit to the historical record w/o creating a contridiction, the more confidence you can have in it.
the geneva bible is a good source, but 420 years has elapsed since its notes were written.
today we are in a better position to interpret prophesy since we have 420 more years of historical record to match with.
how many others on this site and at your church have u encountered which favor the historicist approach?
Victorinus of Pettau (c. 300 CE) The Anchor Bible Dictionary (New York, NY: Doubleday, 1996, c1992), 5:696.
Recapitulation view of Revelation. The oldest known commentary on Revelation.
1. The Recapitulation Theory. The theory that the book of Revelation describes the same events several times from different points of view is an old and venerable interpretive strategy. This position was taken by Victorinus of Pettau, the author of the oldest surviving commentary (d. ca. 304). He stated that both the trumpets and the bowls predict the eschatological punishment of unbelievers (Haussleiter 1916: 84, line 14–86, line 7). This approach was adopted by Tyconius in his lost, but heavily cited, commentary and by Augustine. It dominated the interpretation of the book for centuries.
Collins, A. Y. (1992). Revelation, Book of. In D. N. Freedman (Ed.), The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (Vol. 5, p. 696). New York: Doubleday.
http://www.ukapologetics.net/08/sevenparallel.htm
Recapitulation view of Revelation. The oldest known commentary on Revelation.
1. The Recapitulation Theory. The theory that the book of Revelation describes the same events several times from different points of view is an old and venerable interpretive strategy. This position was taken by Victorinus of Pettau, the author of the oldest surviving commentary (d. ca. 304). He stated that both the trumpets and the bowls predict the eschatological punishment of unbelievers (Haussleiter 1916: 84, line 14–86, line 7). This approach was adopted by Tyconius in his lost, but heavily cited, commentary and by Augustine. It dominated the interpretation of the book for centuries.
Collins, A. Y. (1992). Revelation, Book of. In D. N. Freedman (Ed.), The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (Vol. 5, p. 696). New York: Doubleday.
http://www.ukapologetics.net/08/sevenparallel.htm
garee ... apologies for taking so long to get back to you and thank you for your patience ...
what the unbeliever suffers in this lifetime does not, nor ever will, compare to what the unbeliever will suffer when cast into the lake of fire.
What are you talking about here ... please provide Scripture. thanks.
And I have no idea what you are trying to say here, either.
what the unbeliever suffers in this lifetime does not, nor ever will, compare to what the unbeliever will suffer when cast into the lake of fire.
What are you talking about here ... please provide Scripture. thanks.
And I have no idea what you are trying to say here, either.
Hi thanks for the reply..
It would appear you are adding to the scripture the oral traditions of men . The letter of the law is death . Not suffering without end. His love that works in us that do have his rest is longsuffering.
Death the temporal suffering while living in a corrupted body. A body called "death: .
Death and or with sufferings will be cast into the fire of God's judgment .(not dead bones) That judgment as the letter of a law it will not rise and condemn to death through corruption (dying ) ever again. The dust returns to the clay it was formed of. And the temporal spirit "under the letter" return to the father of spirits
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
I don't see God as a vengeful God . One who would have mercy on one and no mercy on the other because one was not freely given a new spirit . That kind of vengeance without mercy will be shown to anyone who does not have mercy. He sets the standard.
Day three would appear is the day he chose to see pride in the heart of Satan (Ezekiel 28) Three is used throughout the scriptures to indicate the end of a matter. When pride was seen. The glory as the light. God is Light and also has the ability's to create light temporal. that Light during the first h three days as the presence of God lit the world, it departed to indicate His Spirit was no longer . On day four he lit the Sun and the mon . Two temporals working together. Sun and moon) what I called corruption time indicators winding down.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.Ezekiel 28;13-16
And the evening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Geneisis 1: 13-
In the new heavens and earth it will be returned to the example of the first three days except the need to use night to represent the probability of evil will not be present. The two temporal time corruption keepers would have served the purpose .Time winding down time to wake up Glory Glory Glory
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.Revelation 21: 23 -25
Sorry.
When the amount of sufferings of these bodies of death was increased for Cain sin . Cain under the influence of the god of this world; "natural unconverted mankind". .He replied his sufferings was more that he could bear but had no bargaining power when it came to the mark of power of the word of God . God promised as a mark or letter of a law . mark my word what I say will come to pass. That if any one did try and kill or decrease the punishment he would be under the same spirit of judgment as Cain.(666)
Cain suffered a living hell all the days of his life with no gospel work. . the sabbath rest ; "a living hope beyond the grave.. The sufferings Christ did bear is that in which His brother Abel rested in.
Abel the first martyr, apostle prophet.
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When studying to show ourself approved unto our teacher. We look to the literal literature or historicàl and mix it with the faith of Christ who works in us, our Emmanuel .God with us to find the gospel understanding hid from those who look to what the eyes see as if the kingdom of God could come after the temporal corrupted.
2 Corithiians 4:18 provides the tool for rigthly dividing the parables.
No tools,. . . no rightfully dividing.
The temporal literal becomes the master.No faith needed
2 Corithiians 4:18 provides the tool for rigthly dividing the parables.
No tools,. . . no rightfully dividing.
The temporal literal becomes the master.No faith needed
I see recapitulation in Daniel 7, Daniel 8, Daniel 9, Daniel 11... Although different pieces of information are given and differ pictures are illustrated in each capitulation there is an overlap of the same narrative in all these chapters
Important Question? in the Historicism camp how common or prevelant is this idea that the 2nd beast of Revelation is the USA?
Do you believe the USA is the 2nd beast of Revelation?
Important Question? in the Historicism camp how common or prevelant is this idea that the 2nd beast of Revelation is the USA?
Do you believe the USA is the 2nd beast of Revelation?
