"Not by works" - false!

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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
No, there is a difference between making mistakes and flagrantly willfully sinning against God.
This is the point of Hebrews 10:23.
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1. If you have sex outside of marraige, It is willfull and fragrant.. No matter what, you knew what you were doing.
2. If you get drunk, It is willfull and fragrant, You knew what you were doing
3. If you get angry, It is willfull and fragrant, You knew what you were doing
4. If you covet something your neighbor got last night, It is willfull and fragrant, You knew what you did
5. If the speed limit is 55 and you decide to go 70. It is willfull and fragrant, You knew what you were doing
6. If you know to do right, and do not do it, It is willfull and fragrant, you knew what you were doing
7. If you bear false witness, other than in ignrance, it is willfull and fragrant, You knew what you were doing
8. If you (insert any sin), it is willfull and fragrant, You knew what you were doing (unless as a child of God, you did not know something was a particualr sin, Which in the grand scheme may be called accidental. But God still said, the penalty of sin is death. so you have no excuse.

So to say that no one who willfully and fragrantly sins will get to heaven, is to condemn all people. It makes it impossible for ANYONE to get to heaven
 
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DBurrage said:
No, there is a difference between making mistakes and flagrantly willfully sinning against God.
This is the point of Hebrews 10:23.
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I have wilfully disobey God......he has never left me....he disciplined me.......
eternally-gratefull said:
I am still dumbfounded at the use who yesterday admitted that christians can still fall into sexual sin.. Yet somehow claim it somehow was different. and not willfull and on purpose? making it seeminly ok for them, but not others.. where does this thinking come from?
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I have been born again for 28 yrs...I have never fell into sexual sin...I couldn’t it would destroy me...I have given my life to God.


I can’t speak for others...but I had a friend who fell into sexual sin.......she said she felt awfull after the act.....but still kept doing it....I don’t understand that.
 
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DBurrage said:
No, there is a difference between making mistakes and flagrantly willfully sinning against God.
This is the point of Hebrews 10:23.
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Wrong.. Hebrews 10:26 is connecting "willful sin" as it relates to sacrifices in the Old Testament.

And I wonder which sin is the dividing line... oh right .... scripture is silent on that.

So one minute you have the Holy Spirit and then in the next it is taken away.. scripture teaches no such thing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
THANK YOU.

Exactly my point.
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Judges is another liar and bearer of false witness

What he said was not true. and should not be listened to.

I also will not be responding to a thing he posts.. But if he wants to keep bearing false witness. I will report him like I did his brother P4T!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
I have wilfully disobey God......he has never left me....he disciplined me.......




I have been born again for 28 yrs...I have never fell into sexual sin...I couldn’t it would destroy me...I have given my life to God.


I can’t speak for others...but I had a friend who fell into sexual sin.......she said she felt awfull after the act.....but still kept doing it....I don’t understand that.
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we all have our bessetting sins. God also knows the ones that are the most tempting and the hardest to stop.

Do not blame your friend. We all have these issues.

We should not judge someone who has a problem with a sin, anymore than we would want to be judged for our bessetting sin.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Wrong.. Hebrews 10:26 is connecting "willful sin" as it relates to sacrifices in the Old Testament.

And I wonder which sin is the dividing line... oh right .... scripture is silent on that.

So one minute you have the Holy Spirit and then in the next it is taken away.. scripture teaches no such thing.
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he can not comprehend that

Like james 2. They use these few select verses that APPEAR to support them. and will not even consider context of what is really being said.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Judges is another liar and bearer of false witness

What he said was not true. and should not be listened to.

I also will not be responding to a thing he posts.. But if he wants to keep bearing false witness. I will report him like I did his brother P4T!
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So @Judges1318 is bearing false witness because he disagrees with you?
Well, I guess it's not like you've accused anybody of that before...

I think the moderators, such as @Oncefallen should be aware that you're reporting people just for disagreeing with you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
wee all have our bessetting sins. God also knows the ones that are the most tempting and the hardest to stop.

Do not blame your friend. We all have these issues.

We should not judge someone who has a problem with a sin, anymore than we would want to be judged for our bessetting sin.
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Oh no..I don’t judge her...I have other temptations that I struggle with.....God helps me with them...as long as it’s from the heart.that I’m sincere when I ask him for help..if you know what I mean.
 
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DBurrage said:
So @Judges1318 is bearing false witness because he disagrees with you?
Well, I guess it's not like you've accused anybody of that before...

I think the moderators, such as @Oncefallen should be aware that you're reporting people just for disagreeing with you.
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1. I have known judged for awhile. So please do not attempt to say that I do not know what I am talking about and what he has done in the past.
2. No, It is not just about a disagreement, You disagree with me, Have I reported you or anyone else just because you disagree with me?

You assume to many things man..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
Yep.
Round in circles again.
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yep

Because you will not see you are saying if we fall into certain sins (break the law) we will lose our salvation. Thus in effect you are preaching we must obey the law to be saved.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Oh no..I don’t judge her...I have other temptations that I struggle with.....God helps me with them...as long as it’s from the heart.that I’m sincere when I ask him for help..if you know what I mean.
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Amen brother

But be careful. If you confess your sin in here you will be brutally attacked by these lawyers. and any of your brothers or sisters who try to help restor you in love will be attacked right along with you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
yep

Because you will not see you are saying if we fall into certain sins (break the law) we will lose our salvation. Thus in effect you are preaching we must obey the law to be saved.
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Is that what I said in post 1,036?
Quote below.

It is in fact you who are relentlessly attacking other users of this forum despite clarification already having been given.


DBurrage said:
Our best will never be "good enough", but Jesus makes up for the shortfall.

This doesn't detract from the fact that we are asked to keep God's commandments and turn away from sin.
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10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. - Philippians 3:10-11

I think your biggest problem is you simply do not know the Bible.
You know doctrines that you have been taught, but you do not know the Bible.
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Good luck attaining your salvation...but you will need much more than luck .. you will need a Saviour

LOL ... and you say I do not know scripture.

attain - verb

succeed in achieving (something that one desires and has worked for).
"clarify your objectives and ways of attaining them"
Webster Dictionary
 
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Judges1318 said:
But do you do it because you have decided you don't care anymore about the forgiveness of sin you have received in Christ?
That is the difference that is not being addressed.
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We do it because we are fallen human beings.......we are being sanctified day by day...by the Holy Spirit.......
 
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jackrosie said:
We do it because we are fallen human beings.......we are being sanctified day by day...by the Holy Spirit.......
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You are correct, but that's not the point Judges is making.

He's asking if we sin because we make mistakes, or whether we flagrantly sin.
 
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