Catholicism vs Protestantism
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no, I believe your interpretation is incorrect because it is contradicted by a statement in the verse.
it's like this
John 12:39 For this cause they couldn't believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 "He has blinded their eyes and he hardened their heart, lest they should see with their eyes, and perceive with their heart, and would turn, and I would heal them."
that verse also talks about their hearts being hardened
Romans 11:25 For I don't desire you to be ignorant, brothers, of this mystery, so that you won't be wise in your own conceits, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
and
Acts 28:26 saying, 'Go to this people, and say, in hearing, you will hear, but will in no way understand. In seeing, you will see, but will in no way perceive.
it's like this
John 12:39 For this cause they couldn't believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 "He has blinded their eyes and he hardened their heart, lest they should see with their eyes, and perceive with their heart, and would turn, and I would heal them."
that verse also talks about their hearts being hardened
Romans 11:25 For I don't desire you to be ignorant, brothers, of this mystery, so that you won't be wise in your own conceits, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
and
Acts 28:26 saying, 'Go to this people, and say, in hearing, you will hear, but will in no way understand. In seeing, you will see, but will in no way perceive.
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For the Catholic Church, this unity does not only apply to the Reformation churches, but includes all the people of the world:
Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time.v
All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God...And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation.vi
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For the Catholic Church, this unity does not only apply to the Reformation churches, but includes all the people of the world:
Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time.v
All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God...And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation.vi
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I don't think that follows.
it's true that if a person is blinded, then they cannot worship in spirit and in truth.
but it is possible to worship imperfectly.
well, then, I believe your dispute is with Paul, not with me.
if we check the original language
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/10-2.htm
ὅτι ζῆλον θεοῦ ἔχουσιν
it literally says
"that zeal for God they have."
"blind also make them not zeal to true Gid"
"zeal for God they have."
it's true that if a person is blinded, then they cannot worship in spirit and in truth.
but it is possible to worship imperfectly.
well, then, I believe your dispute is with Paul, not with me.
if we check the original language
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/10-2.htm
ὅτι ζῆλον θεοῦ ἔχουσιν
it literally says
"that zeal for God they have."
"blind also make them not zeal to true Gid"
"zeal for God they have."
My brother Dan, the problem is on your interpretation and your zeal to defend catholic, make you do what ever you can to make Catholic like not lie
Definition of zeal
: eagerness and ardent interest in pursuit of something : FERVOR
her zeal to succeed strained her relationships
I don't understand you believe Jews have zeal to God but don't worship a God.
That because ccc 841 say Muslim and us adore the same God. And you try to to cover up this lie
That why you say adore God do not mean adore Jesus
You know that Jesus God, am i correct?
How Muslim that don't believe Jesus God adore God?
This lie is the one that you try to cover, to make look like not lie
Definition of zeal
: eagerness and ardent interest in pursuit of something : FERVOR
her zeal to succeed strained her relationships
I don't understand you believe Jews have zeal to God but don't worship a God.
That because ccc 841 say Muslim and us adore the same God. And you try to to cover up this lie
That why you say adore God do not mean adore Jesus
You know that Jesus God, am i correct?
How Muslim that don't believe Jesus God adore God?
This lie is the one that you try to cover, to make look like not lie
Man of Sin is office of Pope. 2nd beast of Rev has been completely fulfilled.
2nd beast of Rev was the middle ages Roman Catholic Church, it took 1600 yrs to completely fulfill.
have you ever heard this before???
Modern Day Roman Catholic Church (20th century onward) is the beginnings of fulfillment of Prostitute of Babylon. It may take another 1000 yrs or longer for this to be completely fulfilled as well. she includes many of the denominations that are in the process of moving back toward ecumenical communication and partial communion and eventually full communion with the RCC.
For example, every denomination that recites the Nicene Creed is pledging allegiance to the RCC, which is the pope, which is the man of sin.
This is all happening already. It has been happening for a long time now. Yet is has all been under the radar. This is what a strong delusion looks like. To fool the world for a paltry 7 years is not a strong delusion. I mean Hitler fooled the world for longer than 7 years.
2nd beast of Rev was the middle ages Roman Catholic Church, it took 1600 yrs to completely fulfill.
have you ever heard this before???
Modern Day Roman Catholic Church (20th century onward) is the beginnings of fulfillment of Prostitute of Babylon. It may take another 1000 yrs or longer for this to be completely fulfilled as well. she includes many of the denominations that are in the process of moving back toward ecumenical communication and partial communion and eventually full communion with the RCC.
For example, every denomination that recites the Nicene Creed is pledging allegiance to the RCC, which is the pope, which is the man of sin.
This is all happening already. It has been happening for a long time now. Yet is has all been under the radar. This is what a strong delusion looks like. To fool the world for a paltry 7 years is not a strong delusion. I mean Hitler fooled the world for longer than 7 years.
I believe Pope is the man of sin, but I don't know if 7 years tribulation already happen, what I know is it will start with 7 years peace agreement with Israel than in the middle of that agreement the antichrist/ pope will break that agreement and start apply mark of the beast to every body.
I may wrong, but I never heard that agreement happen yet.
I may wrong, but I never heard that agreement happen yet.
The tribulation is not just 7 years. We are in the tribulation.
The tribulation started in the 1st century AD --> and continues --> all the way until Christ's Return:
The pope (Holy Father) already applies his mark by saying, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" and making the sign of the cross +
The middle ages Roman Catholic Church with the Holy Roman Empire already had their Inquisitions where they killed many Jews who would refused to be marked with the sign of the cross +
The tribulation started in the 1st century AD --> and continues --> all the way until Christ's Return:
The pope (Holy Father) already applies his mark by saying, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" and making the sign of the cross +
The middle ages Roman Catholic Church with the Holy Roman Empire already had their Inquisitions where they killed many Jews who would refused to be marked with the sign of the cross +
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