"Not by works" - false!
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Romans 2:12 - For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law will be justified;
parish without the law, doers of the law??? what in the world is Paul talking about, does he not know the law was done away with and has nothing to do with salvation?
parish without the law, doers of the law??? what in the world is Paul talking about, does he not know the law was done away with and has nothing to do with salvation?
Belief in Jesus IS absolutely necessary for salvation.
However...
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".
I have asked you this several times now:
Are you saying that Christians do not need to keep God's commandments?
However...
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".
I have asked you this several times now:
Are you saying that Christians do not need to keep God's commandments?
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The answer is right here
1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2 Coronthians 3:1-6
1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2 Coronthians 3:1-6
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You keep making the point that we are no longer justified by the law, but by Christ.
You are correct in this.
However, we must also keep God's commandments.
If we do not keep God's commandments after receiving Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".
I think I've asked you enough times now to come to the conclusion that you are NOT going to answer my question:
Are you saying that Christians do not need to keep God's commandments?
You are correct in this.
However, we must also keep God's commandments.
If we do not keep God's commandments after receiving Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".
I think I've asked you enough times now to come to the conclusion that you are NOT going to answer my question:
Are you saying that Christians do not need to keep God's commandments?
Yes, we are talking about salvation.
For salvation we need 2 things:
1. Belief and faith in Jesus
Acts 16:30-31
" "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" ".
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2. Keeping God's commandments
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".
For salvation we need 2 things:
1. Belief and faith in Jesus
Acts 16:30-31
" "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" ".
AND
2. Keeping God's commandments
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".
"Which is not a bilateral agreement"
If it were not a bilateral agreement, that would imply that humans have to do nothing to achieve salvation.
This is NOT true.
In order to receive salvation humans must become Christians (i.e. follow Christ) and keep God's commandments.
Are you saying that people who don't follow Christ and don't keep God's commandments also receive salvation?
If it were not a bilateral agreement, that would imply that humans have to do nothing to achieve salvation.
This is NOT true.
In order to receive salvation humans must become Christians (i.e. follow Christ) and keep God's commandments.
Are you saying that people who don't follow Christ and don't keep God's commandments also receive salvation?