CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

[Absolutely]

Aging leads to a weakened internal state...a compromised immunity system, which can lead to becoming sick...

Should we then forget this christian, or state that this christian has no belief in CHRIST´S atonement and lay MORE suffering on them?

When Jesus ONLY HEALED the lame man at the pool of Bethesda,did that mean he did not care about the others there?

In your example,there is only room for christians dying sick.

The bible,at some point,will offend and challenge all of us.

People want some way out of healing being part of the covenant.
Healing,signs and wonders AUTHENTICATE that Jesus is still alive.

When John had his crisis of faith,Jesus AUTHENTICATED himself by the signs ,wonders,and miracles.

 

[Absolutely]

Obesity leads to disease. A disease just means something has gone wrong with your body. Everyone dies of something going wrong.. that is why it is technically wrong to state we die of old age.

The heart gets covered in fat. The blood can not circulate with the fat clogging arteries.

No disease,
Just too fat.
Fat is not a disease.

 

[EleventhHour]

The heart gets covered in fat. The blood can not circulate with the fat clogging arteries.

No disease,
Just too fat.
Fat is not a disease.

God could cure that too if we are never meant to be sick.

 

[Absolutely]

Okay I get the rest, however .. no one dies of old age.. everyone dies of some disease eventually so then are you saying that with faith a person could potentially always be healed from disease.

Do you get what is going on?
The bible CLEARLY teaches healing as part of the atonement.

Then,in order to defy that,someone has entered the false dynamic,that is healing is part of the redemptive act,then nobody should die.
Transpose that false dynamic onto salvation.
"if Jesus died for the whole world,then salvation is wrong,because look at all those unsaved."

Why do people try so hard to undo the cross?????

 

[Absolutely]

God could cure that too if we are never meant to be sick.

Man was never meant to be a sinful entity.
does that mean salvation is off the table also?

 

[Absolutely]

God could cure that too if we are never meant to be sick.

You have to start from heaven
Not a strawman to define heaven.

The starting place is God's will.

We see his will in his bible and Jesus example.
So clear it SHOULD be impossible to miss.

He even went a step further to compare the earthly human father to the heavenly Father.

Under your reasoning,an earthly father would have reasons for his children to keep their leprosy

 

[Absolutely]

No I did not state that at all... if the atonement also covers disease why do believers have disease shouldn't they be immune from disease?

Just like all our sins have been atoned for and God sees our sin not more... than all physical ailments should be gone as well?

Do you realize you destroyed your own argument?

Christiand DO IN FACT SIN. Sin has been provided for in the blood. We are continually cleansed. When you sin,it is the blood that cleanses.

When people get sick(as opposed to your reasoning that nobody should get sick) there is provision.

provision for sin.....and likewise for healing.

 

[Absolutely]

Is it God's will to heal? Yes

Did he make provision? Yes

Do we act on it,or try to make it into what we see and reason?

 

[Absolutely]

Lets examine evangelism.
Is evangelism God's will?

Are they all gonna respond to my message?
The ones that do and fall away....does that mean God's will is not evangelism?

 

[Sudakar]

When Jesus ONLY HEALED the lame man at the pool of Bethesda,did that mean he did not care about the others there?

In your example,there is only room for christians dying sick.

The bible,at some point,will offend and challenge all of us.

People want some way out of healing being part of the covenant.
Healing,signs and wonders AUTHENTICATE that Jesus is still alive.

When John had his crisis of faith,Jesus AUTHENTICATED himself by the signs ,wonders,and miracles.

Christians don't need authentication. They need to believe. But christians run after signs.

 

[miknik5]

Many old people die that are not sick.
Under your reasoning ,(not totally sure) it is as if the only way you think we will die is of some infirmity?

It appears as if any affirmation towards healing as Gods will is off the table?

I will tell you one thing you said right...

GOD´S WILL....

 

[Sudakar]

Do you get what is going on?
The bible CLEARLY teaches healing as part of the atonement.

Then,in order to defy that,someone has entered the false dynamic,that is healing is part of the redemptive act,then nobody should die.
Transpose that false dynamic onto salvation.
"if Jesus died for the whole world,then salvation is wrong,because look at all those unsaved."

Why do people try so hard to undo the cross?????

However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

 

[miknik5]

Does all of creation subject to vanity and decay include man?

 

[miknik5]

Your quibbling mind has evaded the question as to why many weren't healed at Nazareth due to unbelief. What did they believe?

They believed they were well and had no need for a physician.

 

[miknik5]

Lets examine evangelism.
Is evangelism God's will?

Are they all gonna respond to my message?
The ones that do and fall away....does that mean God's will is not evangelism?

Yes....it certainly is GOD´s WILL that all who look to THE SON and believe in HIM..have ETERNAL LIFE
It isn´t your message...it´s GOD´s and it should be received as such...

evangelism is not telling physically sick people that they can be healed physically.

Okay?

Evangelism is telling spiritually sick people (and all are physically sick regardless of any known or obvious physical outward ailment, that they are in need of a PHYSICIAN...and pointing them to THAT PHYSICIAN...

That is what evangelism is...

 

[miknik5]

Lets examine evangelism.
Is evangelism God's will?

Are they all gonna respond to my message?
The ones that do and fall away....does that mean God's will is not evangelism?

Can we examine evangelism a bit more than this?

 

[miknik5]

When Jesus ONLY HEALED the lame man at the pool of Bethesda,did that mean he did not care about the others there?

In your example,there is only room for christians dying sick.

The bible,at some point,will offend and challenge all of us.

People want some way out of healing being part of the covenant.
Healing,signs and wonders AUTHENTICATE that Jesus is still alive.

When John had his crisis of faith,Jesus AUTHENTICATED himself by the signs ,wonders,and miracles.

My example stems from this thread sir...and from the author of this thread implying that all christians must never be sick...if they are, they are denying CHRISTŚ atonement for healing.

And sir...people MOST DEFINITELY DO NOT want some way out of healing...EVER

 

[miknik5]

Man was never meant to be a sinful entity.
does that mean salvation is off the table also?

Yes he was...and GOD knew it even before HE created man...

 

[miknik5]

You have to start from heaven
Not a strawman to define heaven.

The starting place is God's will.

We see his will in his bible and Jesus example.
So clear it SHOULD be impossible to miss.

He even went a step further to compare the earthly human father to the heavenly Father.

Under your reasoning,an earthly father would have reasons for his children to keep their leprosy

HIS GRACE is sufficient, sir...
Please refer and remember Paulś ẗhorn in his flesh¨...he prayed for that thorn to be removed....

It wasn´t removed..

With your thinking, sir...let us go back to ¨evangelism¨...
and let us remember what Paul said regarding this as well...who are we to tell the Potter what to do???????

 

[miknik5]

It is JESUS who cleanses...
(If I do not wash you, you have no part with ME)

This seems to be the problem...this thread, seems to be preaching a truncated version of the GOSPEL...preaching HIS BLOOD, but neglecting HIS....PRESENCE...HIS RESURRECTION...

We have a MEDIATOR...HE lives...we come to HIM...and when one is sick, they are going to HIM...they are going to THE LORD...HIM personally...they are in conversation(prayer) with HIM

I recommend you examine your faith...and see if it is directed in and on HIM alone...for, it seems that you are professing, in a detached manner, HIS crucifixion, and forgetting HIS resurrection...