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EleventhHour said:
This is with regards to the physical body, not the spiritual adoption as sons.

You are confusing things

To redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
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Right, we can be called sons now because of the certainty of the future adoption of sons. It is that certain! Praise the Lord! The Holy Spirit is the seal that guarantees us the future adoption. This is the context of predestination. Our destination is to be conformed to the image of Jesus. That’s the future adoption. Check this out...

1 John 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
It was the same gospel, he conferred with them because:

(Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ)

(Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.)

Cherry picking verses without the context again. You are either deceitful or unskilled in the word, probably both.
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Your comments make me laugh...yet Paul had to teach them what the Lord had revealed to him.
 
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Guojing said:
The OT Jews were not looking forward to salvation in heaven. If you were to enter a time machine and go to them during that time to tell them about a heavenly destination, they would have been confused.

They are looking to be ushered into the kingdom on earth that was promised to them from prophecies. The covenant that God made with Israel was largely a physical one, with land, with health and with wealth.

For us in the Body of Christ, our promises are mostly heavenly.
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Yes, Luke 1 is clear in this.
 
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John146 said:
I’m really shocked that you are in agreement with him. That’s exactly what he is saying if he believes that we were in Christ before the foundation of the world.
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I have noticed that no matter what dcon post, 11 will support him with likes and take his word as the truth.

That is one central feature of echo chambers and how confirmation bias works.
 
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Guojing said:
I have noticed that no matter what dcon post, 11 will support him with likes and take his word as the truth.

That is one central feature of echo chambers and how confirmation bias works.
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Yes, I have noticed this too. There are a couple of people that will cast insults if you disagree with them. I try hard to ignotr them and stay the course. It sure is hard sometimes.🥴. In the last hour or so I’ve been called satanic and an idiot...out of love I’m sure.
 
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Guojing said:
Read on to Galatians 2

Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

If it was the same gospel, why would Paul need to communicate with James Peter and John about that gospel he was preaching among the Gentiles? They added nothing to his gospel, but they had a lot ot learn from him.
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It was the same Gospel.

That does not mean they all had equal understanding.
 
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John146 said:
Yes, I have noticed this too. There are a couple of people that will cast insults if you disagree with them. I try hard to ignotr them and stay the course. It sure is hard sometimes.🥴. In the last hour or so I’ve been called satanic and an idiot...out of love I’m sure.
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I agree, they find it very hard to agree on the common parts, and politely disagree on others.
 
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Guojing said:
The OT Jews were not looking forward to salvation in heaven. If you were to enter a time machine and go to them during that time to tell them about a heavenly destination, they would have been confused.

They are looking to be ushered into the kingdom on earth that was promised to them from prophecies. The covenant that God made with Israel was largely a physical one, with land, with health and with wealth.

For us in the Body of Christ, our promises are mostly heavenly.
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You are totally confused, Paul states that the Gentiles were added to the covenant promises, so if the promises were about an earthly kingdom Paul was sadly mistaken - but we already know who is mistaken.

(Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world)

This is like shooting ducks in kiddie pool
 
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There is only one gospel that saves NOW, which is contained in 1 Cor 15:1-4.

But there were various good news preached before that happened: Jeremiah 23:5-6, Luke 1:31-33, Luke 1:68-75
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These other good news did they save?
 
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azamzimtoti said:
You are totally confused, Paul states that the Gentiles were added to the covenant promises, so if the promises were about an earthly kingdom Paul was sadly mistaken - but we already know who is mistaken.

(Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world)

This is like shooting ducks in kiddie pool
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As I have said to John146, you guys are fond of anticipating revelation. You find it very difficult to put yourself in the shoes of a Jew in the OT and understand what he understood then.

Paul did not exist during the OT. Stop inserting his revelations into the OT. God kept those revelations a secret until he revealed them to Paul, it was hidden in him since the world began (Ephesians 3:9)
 
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EleventhHour said:
These other good news did they save?
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As I have explained to you earlier

The good news that the Son of God is finally sent in the flesh to Israel. Thru God's grace he came.

Israel needed to respond in faith to that grace, which is repent and be baptized.

If they respond in faith, Jesus as the Son of God would usher Israel into their promised kingdom.

It is then that their sins will finally be remitted (Acts 3:19)
 
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As I have explained to you earlier

The good news that the Son of God is finally sent in the flesh to Israel. Thru God's grace he came.

Israel needed to respond in faith to that grace, which is repent and be baptized.

If they respond in faith, Jesus as the Son of God would usher Israel into their promised kingdom.

It is then that their sins will finally be remitted (Acts 3:19)
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So you are now saying that God "knowing all" sent out a false message .... it was a false message because He knew the Jews would not respond affirmatively and then he changed to Plan B.
 
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EleventhHour said:
This is with regards to the physical body, not the spiritual adoption as sons.

You are confusing things

To redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
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And John says....RIGHT NOW ARE we the SONS of God.....he has no concept of what adoption actually entails.........he has went off the deep end.....I am about to follow suit ->VCO
 
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Guojing said:
That passage is saying that the believers in those churches fear Paul because of his previous prosecution of all believers. It has nothing to do with the gospel that he received directly from Christ.

You are the one cherry picking out of context.
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Kind of like saying all 12 believed he should not have to die.....right Gong show?
 
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