Prophecy, it’s not what most think.
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Here is a factual finding from the Hubble Telescope:
On December 26, 1994, Hubble telescope transmitted hundreds of photos depicting a large white city floating in space. US authorities did not expose the photos to the general public, of course, although it was rumored that US officials treated NASA’s report very seriously.
That in my view is New Jerusalem.
This current Earth will pass away in a split second and I believe this New Jerusalem will take its place.
The Hubble Telescope proves of things to come/aka prophecy!
On December 26, 1994, Hubble telescope transmitted hundreds of photos depicting a large white city floating in space. US authorities did not expose the photos to the general public, of course, although it was rumored that US officials treated NASA’s report very seriously.
That in my view is New Jerusalem.
This current Earth will pass away in a split second and I believe this New Jerusalem will take its place.
The Hubble Telescope proves of things to come/aka prophecy!
I'm not a preterist in any way, shape, or form
70AD fulfillment is a false teaching in my opinion.
I believe in a future literal human man as antichrist, two prophets returned with literal plagues upon earth for 3.5 years, the church will be present on earth for this period.
I believe that Jesus returns immediately after this 3.5 year tribulation, in fire and final judgement, dissolving this existing heaven and earth by fire, as the New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem are revealed for eternity
There will be no pre-trib rapture, there will be no 1,000 year kingdom on this earth.
I think you may have a reading comprehension problem. No worries it's a merciful God that we worship.
Yep, 7 year Trib and no pre-trib Rapture, I agree.
So tell me, when was Satan bound for 1,000 years (you indicate as right now). Where is your proof?
Well firstly he wouldn't return to create a new kingdom and new earth and heaven right after 3.5 years of tribulation and also he never said he was going to create them in fire and judgement. Yes right before he establishes this new kingdom he will toss death and hades and all the sinners in fire and judgement but to say he would create a new earth and hevane in judgement? I mean is that what you meant to say or was that a misunderstanding?
I think God works in a "weeks reference."
1 week for Creation.
If we apply 1 day is as a 1,000 years (interesting this is mentioned twice, so there has to be something other than how we define it)From Adam to now = 6,000 years or 6 days
1,000 years Mill Reign = 1 day, added to time from Adam till now = 1 WEEK
1 week for Creation.
If we apply 1 day is as a 1,000 years (interesting this is mentioned twice, so there has to be something other than how we define it)From Adam to now = 6,000 years or 6 days
1,000 years Mill Reign = 1 day, added to time from Adam till now = 1 WEEK
You know I have had that exact same train of thought it does makes sense if you think about it
Great to hear that you have rejected the status quo on eschatology and did your own independent study.
You sound to be on the right path here. Awesome!
What I am finding in Bible prophesy and revelation is how much Daniel 7:28 is applicable to us who reject the error-filled, status quo, views on eschatology.
Daniel 7: 28
“This is the end of the matter. I, Daniel, was deeply troubled by my thoughts, and my face turned pale, but I kept the matter to myself.”
As stated, Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, immediately after the future 3.5 year tribulation.
Yes Jesus Christ returns with the "Eternal" New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem
1 Cor 3:13, 2 Thess 1:7-8, Micha 3:2, Revelation 20:9, 2 Peter 3:10-13
All Mens Works will Be Judged By The Lord's Fire In Final Judgement.
1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Jesus Christ Returns In Fure And Final Judgement.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
"Satan is Currently bound by the 6th vial being poured out, and from "Deceiving The Nations To Battle"
As Revelation 20:7-9 clearly shows Satan being loosed into this earth realm at the end of the future 3.5 year tribulation, to gather the nations to battle.
Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
The 6th vial seen below "currently" has Satan bound, when its poured out, Satan will be loosed from his prison to "Deceive the Nations To Battle" also as seen in Revelation 20:7-8
Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
I would recommend that while reading 2 Peter 3:10-12, that the reader would note a few things:
2 Peter 3 -
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief [kjv has 'in the night'], in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and elements will be dissolved [G3089], burning with heat, and the earth and the works in it will not be found.
11 All these things being dissolved [G3089] in this way, what kind ought you to be? In holy conduct and godliness, 12 expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens will be dissolved [G3089], being set on fire, and the elements are melting, burning with heat.
Notice:
--the word for "dissolved [G3089 - luo / lythesetai / lyomenon / lythesontai - 'to loosen']" is used 3x (v.10, v.11, v.12);
--"the Day of the Lord" is an earthly time-period of long duration with MUCH transpiring within it (a period of time [not lasting merely 24-hrs in length] of JUDGMENTs followed by a period of time [not lasting merely 24-hrs in length] of BLESSINGs--ALL THAT is what "the DOTL" time period consists of);
--1Th5:2-3 tells us that "the DOTL's" ARRIVAL will be like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" that comes UPON a woman with child/in labor (but it is not "ONE and DONE" when it comes to "birth PANGS"... MANY MORE follow on from the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3], just like Jesus spoke of in His Olivet Discourse... this is just the ARRIVAL point of it... at the "IN THE NIGHT" ARRIVAL point, aka the "DARK / DARKNESS" aspect of the entire long "DOTL" time period);
--that the reader should read BOTH CHPTS of Isaiah 34-35, and not merely verse 34:4 (when reading 2Pet3:10-12) to get the whole picture of what Peter is referring to; where 34:4 [don't extract it from its overall context, to see the "big picture" of its meaning] says, "All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved. The skies will be rolled up like a scroll, and all their stars will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like foliage from the fig tree." Here's both chpts to read in their entirety and in their context [read BOTH CHPTS]: https://biblehub.com/bsb/isaiah/34.htm and https://biblehub.com/bsb/isaiah/35.htm
--when viewing the phrases "the stars [H6635 - tsaba] of the heavens"... "the stars [H6635 - tsaba]," note that the defintion is "army, war, warfare": https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6635.htm (2x in Isa34:4); https://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/34-4.htm ; and recall how Daniel 8:10 uses this word (2x): "It grew as high as the host [H6635 - tsaba] of the heavens, and it cast down some of the host [H6635 - tsaba] and some of the stars [H3556 - star, prince] to the earth, and trampled them."
--for the reader to recall 1Cor6:3[14], "know ye not that we SHALL JUDGE ANGELS" and other verses I won't go into in this post... it's already sufficiently long, as it stands. = )
2 Peter 3 -
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief [kjv has 'in the night'], in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and elements will be dissolved [G3089], burning with heat, and the earth and the works in it will not be found.
11 All these things being dissolved [G3089] in this way, what kind ought you to be? In holy conduct and godliness, 12 expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens will be dissolved [G3089], being set on fire, and the elements are melting, burning with heat.
Notice:
--the word for "dissolved [G3089 - luo / lythesetai / lyomenon / lythesontai - 'to loosen']" is used 3x (v.10, v.11, v.12);
--"the Day of the Lord" is an earthly time-period of long duration with MUCH transpiring within it (a period of time [not lasting merely 24-hrs in length] of JUDGMENTs followed by a period of time [not lasting merely 24-hrs in length] of BLESSINGs--ALL THAT is what "the DOTL" time period consists of);
--1Th5:2-3 tells us that "the DOTL's" ARRIVAL will be like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" that comes UPON a woman with child/in labor (but it is not "ONE and DONE" when it comes to "birth PANGS"... MANY MORE follow on from the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3], just like Jesus spoke of in His Olivet Discourse... this is just the ARRIVAL point of it... at the "IN THE NIGHT" ARRIVAL point, aka the "DARK / DARKNESS" aspect of the entire long "DOTL" time period);
--that the reader should read BOTH CHPTS of Isaiah 34-35, and not merely verse 34:4 (when reading 2Pet3:10-12) to get the whole picture of what Peter is referring to; where 34:4 [don't extract it from its overall context, to see the "big picture" of its meaning] says, "All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved. The skies will be rolled up like a scroll, and all their stars will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like foliage from the fig tree." Here's both chpts to read in their entirety and in their context [read BOTH CHPTS]: https://biblehub.com/bsb/isaiah/34.htm and https://biblehub.com/bsb/isaiah/35.htm
--when viewing the phrases "the stars [H6635 - tsaba] of the heavens"... "the stars [H6635 - tsaba]," note that the defintion is "army, war, warfare": https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6635.htm (2x in Isa34:4); https://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/34-4.htm ; and recall how Daniel 8:10 uses this word (2x): "It grew as high as the host [H6635 - tsaba] of the heavens, and it cast down some of the host [H6635 - tsaba] and some of the stars [H3556 - star, prince] to the earth, and trampled them."
--for the reader to recall 1Cor6:3[14], "know ye not that we SHALL JUDGE ANGELS" and other verses I won't go into in this post... it's already sufficiently long, as it stands. = )
Again though your cherry picking. Anyone can do a quick google search for scriptures that fit what their saying and plenty will come up but if taken out of context you make the scriptures say what they aren't saying.
This though is just me warning you about doing this as for your stance to be honest I am not entirely sure what your saying. You mention a 3.5 year tribulation but there are seven years so are you refering to the latter 3.5?
And also yes he does come in fire and fury but he doesn't create the new heaven earth and Jerusalem in that fury he does this after he finally fully completes everything defeating the enemy once and for all and the then he does this where will live with him and reign forever and ever.
I mean unless I am mistaken it sounded like you were saying there are only 3.5 years of tribulation and that Jesus would create in his fury and judgement a new kingdom. I mean the part especially of creating a new kingdom in his fire and judgement is not how he operates. He created this world in love and would not create the new one in anything else especially not in that fiery state.
Wait what? your saying that he is bound right now by the sixth vile? So do you believe we are in the tribulation right now?
You are indeed cherry picking. Chapter 20 is the beginning of the 1,000 year reign. Verse 4 specifically speaks of those beheaded (Tribulation). When Satan is free and gathers people, God consumes them with fire.
But you skipped Tribulation ends, Christ returns, Armageddon, 1,000 year Reign.
You have an interesting mind to conjugate and form the idealism you have by working backwards from Chapter 20 to 16 for the vials.
I am going to have to disagree with your views on this portion.