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tanakh

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Yes, the kingdom of God because it is spiritual. The kingdom of heaven, however, is physical. Both were at hand during the time of Christ. Only the spiritual is at hand at the present, but the physical kingdom will be restored to Israel in the Millennium.
If you compare Matthews Gospel with Lukes you will find that every reference in Matthews refers to ''The Kingdom of Heaven'' and every reference in Lukes refer to the'' Kingdom of God''. The reason for this is nothing to do with different kingdoms. Matthews Gospel was written for mainly Jewish believers and Lukes for Gentiles. Jews considered it Blasphemy to use the name of God so'' Heaven'' was used
by Matthew instead.
 

Blain

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Jesus Christ created time, hes the Alpha & Omega

Your response in red above appears to be loud and challenging, no need for the ! In a simple conversation.

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That is the issue with online formates, there is no voice tone so you have to decipher in other ways. When I see all caps used depending on the context it is used I think either it is an important thing to pay attention to or they are yelling, exclamation marks can be seen as yelling or being rude but can also be seen as a matter of fact thing excitement or just a slightly louder voice tone.
Really you have to take into consideration who you know the person is and how their conduct is otherwise it is unwise to assume anything
 

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That is the issue with online formates, there is no voice tone so you have to decipher in other ways. When I see all caps used depending on the context it is used I think either it is an important thing to pay attention to or they are yelling, exclamation marks can be seen as yelling or being rude but can also be seen as a matter of fact thing excitement or just a slightly louder voice tone.
Really you have to take into consideration who you know the person is and how their conduct is otherwise it is unwise to assume anything
Using all caps and exclamations when writing is "Yelling" no need to pretend otherwise, I have no further response on this matter.
 
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Jesus Christ created time, hes the Alpha & Omega

Your response in red above appears to be loud and challenging, no need for the ! In a simple conversation.

Jesus Christ Is Lord
Naaa you took it wrong and misunderstood what I meant....GOD is subject to timing...Jesus came WHEN IT WAS TIME FOR HIM TO COME....not before....not after....like I said...God is not subject to time...but he is subject to TIMING...and again...THINK on that a bit!

But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
 
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Using all caps and exclamations when writing is "Yelling" no need to pretend otherwise, I have no further response on this matter.
This is not AOL or FACEBOOK and surely you are not 15.....???
 
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That is the issue with online formates, there is no voice tone so you have to decipher in other ways. When I see all caps used depending on the context it is used I think either it is an important thing to pay attention to or they are yelling, exclamation marks can be seen as yelling or being rude but can also be seen as a matter of fact thing excitement or just a slightly louder voice tone.
Really you have to take into consideration who you know the person is and how their conduct is otherwise it is unwise to assume anything
Exactly Blain....glad to se YOU GET IT........!
 
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Using all caps and exclamations when writing is "Yelling" no need to pretend otherwise, I have no further response on this matter.
Make no mistake....I WAS NOT YELLING! and your hard fast rule = you won't last long here as a never wrong know it all!
 

John146

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If you compare Matthews Gospel with Lukes you will find that every reference in Matthews refers to ''The Kingdom of Heaven'' and every reference in Lukes refer to the'' Kingdom of God''. The reason for this is nothing to do with different kingdoms. Matthews Gospel was written for mainly Jewish believers and Lukes for Gentiles. Jews considered it Blasphemy to use the name of God so'' Heaven'' was used
by Matthew instead.
yes that’s right...the physical kingdom was for the Jews With their rightful king sitting on the throne of David in Jerusale. The KOG is a spiritual kingdom first offered to the Jew first then the Gentile.
 

Truth7t7

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Make no mistake....I WAS NOT YELLING! and your hard fast rule = you won't last long here as a never wrong know it all!
You response here carry's the very persona of my claim, thanks

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!!! (y)
 

tourist

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Jesus Christ created time, hes the Alpha & Omega

Your response in red above appears to be loud and challenging, no need for the ! In a simple conversation.

Jesus Christ Is Lord
You will learn quickly that in the BDF there are no simple conversations. The use of a certain color to highlight a certain point is an appropriate technique widely applied by many members. This forum is not the place for the timid as discussions can get rather heated at times depending on the topic and flow of the conversation.

Jesus is the Alpha & Omega, on this point you are correct. Not sure what part of the Trinity created time, whether the Father, Son, or the Holy Spirit but it is certain that God created time for the benefit of man and is useful as a gage and measurement of human events as related to scripture, especially prohesy.
 

tourist

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That is the issue with online formates, there is no voice tone so you have to decipher in other ways. When I see all caps used depending on the context it is used I think either it is an important thing to pay attention to or they are yelling, exclamation marks can be seen as yelling or being rude but can also be seen as a matter of fact thing excitement or just a slightly louder voice tone.
Really you have to take into consideration who you know the person is and how their conduct is otherwise it is unwise to assume anything
You summation on this aspect of forum decorum was concise and on target. Until you really know the players care must be exercised to avoid a rash uncalled for judgement of any particular member.
 

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Dave I fully agree there will be no future Millennial kingdom on this earth, yes thisi is a "Jewish" fable of the "Golden Age"

No Physical Kingdom or Human's on This Earth, are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 Below As Many Claim.

That seen below, is in the Lords "Spiritual Realm" 100%

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ,100% Spiritual Realm!

Revelation 20:1-6 (AKJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The subjects you listed above the verses are indeed spiritual in nature. However, you have not addressed the physical-realm things noted in the passage: key, pit, chain, hand, seal, nations, and thrones.
 

tanakh

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The whole Bible is about about Gods plan to restore everything to the state it was in before the fall. In it God looks forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth. Thats what I want to be part of. There may be a temporary period of 1000 years after Christs return but that
would be another stage towards Gods ultimate purpose. The Prophets main role was to bring Israel back to God. They warned the people time and again what would happen if they didnt repent. The rest is history
 

Blain

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You response here carry's the very persona of my claim, thanks

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!!! (y)
Well actually in that one post he wasn't in this one he is just more of a messing with you kind. He can be a bit... what is the word-untamed? He can be like a lion and lamb he can be calm and insightful but he also can be a bit snarky but don't let him fool you he is good people
 

Blain

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You summation on this aspect of forum decorum was concise and on target. Until you really know the players care must be exercised to avoid a rash uncalled for judgement of any particular member.
Well being on forums for so long you just pick up on these things you would have said the same thing maybe not in so many words as I tend to be pretty wordy but the same thing
 

Truth7t7

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The subjects you listed above the verses are indeed spiritual in nature. However, you have not addressed the physical-realm things noted in the passage: key, pit, chain, hand, seal, nations, and thrones.
The only thing related to the physical realm of earth us the word "Nations" and Satan is "Currently" bound and sealed from this specific purpose alone.

"Satan is bound from "Deceiving The Nations To Battle"

As Revelation 20:7-9 clearly shows Satan being loosed into this earth realm at the end of the future 3.5 year tribulation, to gather the nations to battle.

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 

tanakh

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yes that’s right...the physical kingdom was for the Jews With their rightful king sitting on the throne of David in Jerusale. The KOG is a spiritual kingdom first offered to the Jew first then the Gentile.
What do you mean ''Thats right'' He never offered them a physical Kingdom' He went out of his way to avoid them trying to make him king. When Pilate asked him if he was the king of the Jews he said his kingdom was not of this world.

My point was that the terms Kingdom of Heaven and Kingdom of God are the same. Christ is King of the Universe if he decides to sit on a throne in Jerusalem fine he can sit wherever he chooses but dont try to make a doctrine out of the fact that there are two different ways of writing about the Kingdom
 

Truth7t7

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The whole Bible is about about Gods plan to restore everything to the state it was in before the fall. In it God looks forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth. Thats what I want to be part of. There may be a temporary period of 1000 years after Christs return but that
would be another stage towards Gods ultimate purpose. The Prophets main role was to bring Israel back to God. They warned the people time and again what would happen if they didnt repent. The rest is history
I fully agree 100% there will be a future Eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

There won't be a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, a teaching found in the books of fairy tales and fables.

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