I wouldn't call circumcision a work. It certainly isn't a work for the eight day old child.
Well, during the OT, a gentile who wants to be saved under the covenant of Abraham had to get circumcised. Exodus 12:48
Would that be a work to you then?
I wouldn't call circumcision a work. It certainly isn't a work for the eight day old child.
Not really. A ritual ordinance that gains membership to the Assembly/Nation perhaps.Well, during the OT, a gentile who wants to be saved under the covenant of Abraham had to get circumcised. Exodus 12:48
Would that be a work to you then?
Not really. A ritual ordinance that gains membership to the Assembly/Nation perhaps.
The Israelites were to faithfully, in good conscience, with clean hands and a clean heart, fulfill the terms of the covenant. I think it was all about faith and the works were the fruits thereof.Wow, the extent you go to hold on to your doctrine that it has always been faith alone apart from works.
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The Israelites were to faithfully, in good conscience, with clean hands and a clean heart, fulfill the terms of the covenant. I think it was all about faith and the works were the fruits thereof.
(Mark 12) Jesus then began to speak to them in parables: “A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 2 At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard.
(Isa 5) And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the middle of it, and also made a wine press therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
Don't get me wrong the Old Covenant was by grace just like the New Covenant was by grace.Well, its popular here to read Paul's revelation of the mystery of the grace dispensation into everything in the OT.
I guess covenant theology has very strong appeal among many churches.
Don't get me wrong the Old Covenant was by grace just like the New Covenant was by grace.
I don't know what you mean by "covenant theology believes", but what I'm saying is that it is certainly Scriptural that both the OC and the NC were initiated by grace and grace alone.Yep, covenant theology believes that, after Adam sinned, God has always had a covenant of grace thru faith alone, apart from works, with mankind.
I don't know what you mean by "covenant theology believes", but what I'm saying is that it is certainly Scriptural that both the OC and the NC were initiated by grace and grace alone.
I see what you're saying.I am saying that none of us read the Bible in a vacuum. We read it based on our pre-conceived knowledge we picked up, either in church or from other people.
Thus, the way we interpret scripture and decide which is relevant and which is not, will not always be the same as the way another interprets.
I see what you're saying.
But you cannot say that there are verses that imply something that disagrees with implications of other verses. Otherwise you would be saying that the Scriptures are contradictory.
You can say "It seems like there are verses that imply.....(doctrinal position)
and "It seems like there are verses that imply.....(the opposite)
True Biblical implications will not be contradicted by any passage in the Bible
My point was that people believe not some kind of theological concept believes. Joking aside I am neither a rigid covenantalist nor dispensationalist. Both are somewhat inperfect for various reasons, mainly because of the foolishness and weakness of men in grasping and comprehending the truth.Google is your friend.
https://www.gotquestions.org/covenant-theology.html
Its always thru the grace of God at all times, so that statement is redundant.
The question is, how does man respond in faith? Does he have to do works, or no works?
That may be the most difficult question remaining in all of Christianity.Google is your friend.
https://www.gotquestions.org/covenant-theology.html
Its always thru the grace of God at all times, so that statement is redundant.
The question is, how does man respond in faith? Does he have to do works, or no works?
Okay. Difficult theological questions aside, What I believe truly in my heart is as follows:Google is your friend.
https://www.gotquestions.org/covenant-theology.html
Its always thru the grace of God at all times, so that statement is redundant.
The question is, how does man respond in faith? Does he have to do works, or no works?
Okay. Difficult theological questions aside, What I believe truly in my heart is as follows:
Everyone and anyone who truly knows and loves their Lord is going to serve him. And follow Him.
But not everyone to the same degree. Some have more talent some have less talent, some have more courage some have less courage, some have a greater calling some have a lesser calling.
Some may even backslide. So may even depart for a season, inevitably to return. But all are saved and all received their reward.
I think you misunderstand me. Clearly a failure to circumcise leaves one outside the nation. This is the effect. The cause however is a lack of faithfulness to the ordinance. A truly faithful Israelite would certainly comply and willingly with a good heart.If you can consider circumcision for an adult Gentile during the OT to be merely "A ritual ordinance that gains membership to the Assembly/Nation" instead of a work, I can see why you hold on to that doctrine that salvation is by faith alone apart from works in all ages.
I think you misunderstand me. Clearly a failure to circumcise leaves one outside the nation. This is the effect. The cause however is a lack of faithfulness to the ordinance. A truly faithful Israelite would certainly comply and willingly with a good heart.