Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Dan_473

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Is having zeal same as worship?
Seems like there would be some overlap.

Is Paul talking about worship here?
Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
 

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You don't believe Jesus Will judge oN the last day?

Matthew 25:31-46 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Jesus Will Judge the World
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left.
As I said,
Sometimes the Bible presents God as the judge on the last day, sometimes Jesus.

The verse you presented speaks of Jesus judging.
Can you find any verses in the Bible that talk about God judging?
 

Jackson123

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That's exactly true!
I believe we were talking about Jesus and the father.
Yep Jesus and the Father are one

But Jesus can't be one to every body, only who believe in Him.

Jesus can't be one with Lucifer.
 

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As I said,
Sometimes the Bible presents God as the judge on the last day, sometimes Jesus.

The verse you presented speaks of Jesus judging.
Can you find any verses in the Bible that talk about God judging?
Jesus is God.

God jesus

God judging mean God Jesus judging

Do you believe God Jesus is Mankind's judge oN the last day?
 

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Seems like there would be some overlap.

Is Paul talking about worship here?
Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
No, how about adore? Is adore same as worship?
 

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Isnt hat God, Jesus and Holy Spirit the same as one, (concept of trinity)?
Yes

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Because Jesus and Father are one so ccc 841 mean

Muslim A knowledge Creator mean a knoledge Jesus as God
Muslim adore God Jesus

The reality is, muslim do not believe Jesus as God

So catholic is lie
 

Dan_473

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That mean you believe Jesus is Mankind's judge oN the last day.
Do you believe muslim adore Jesus as God?
No, Muslims do not adore Jesus as God.

Suppose you then say that Muslims therefore do not adore mankind's judge on the last day.

The logical fallacy I believe you would be committing is equating Jesus with all of who God is.

Does the bible say that only Jesus is mankind's judge on the last day?
 

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Yep Jesus and the Father are one

But Jesus can't be one to every body, only who believe in Him.

Jesus can't be one with Lucifer.
I'm interested in seeing how you addressed the idea that the father is greater than Jesus.

I'm starting to suspect that at heart you are some flavor of Unitarian. And of course that would explain why you are unable to grasp what CCC 841 is saying, since it was written by trinitarians.
 

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Jesus is God.

God jesus

God judging mean God Jesus judging

Do you believe God Jesus is Mankind's judge oN the last day?
I believe the answer to your question is found in this verse
Romans 2: 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my Good News, by Jesus Christ.

God will judge by Jesus.


Let's talk about the relationship between Jesus, the spirit, and the father.

Psalm 110: 1 <A Psalm. Of David.> The Lord said to my lord, Be seated at my right hand, till I put all those who are against you under your feet.

Who is talking here? Who are they talking to?
 

Dan_473

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No, how about adore? Is adore same as worship?
Jackson my brother, you changed the question!

I'm sure you know that clicking on a person's name when it's at the top of a quote box takes you to the post that is being quoted.

So here's how the series of exchanges happened:
So, @Jackson123 my brother,

We've been talking about Jews having a zeal of the true God.

Do you agree that Jews have a zeal of the true God?
Or do you believe that people who say that cannot be Christians and are attacking a foundation of Christianity?
Is having zeal same as worship?
Seems like there would be some overlap.

Is Paul talking about worship here?
Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
No, how about adore? Is adore same as worship?
So to answer your question directly, adore and worship overlap in some ways, but not others. They are similar, but not the same.


So, did you want to respond to either of these posts?
So, @Jackson123 my brother,

We've been talking about Jews having a zeal of the true God.

Do you agree that Jews have a zeal of the true God?
Or do you believe that people who say that cannot be Christians and are attacking a foundation of Christianity?
Seems like there would be some overlap.

Is Paul talking about worship here?
Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
 

Jackson123

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No, Muslims do not adore Jesus as God.

Suppose you then say that Muslims therefore do not adore mankind's judge on the last day.

The logical fallacy I believe you would be committing is equating Jesus with all of who God is.

Does the bible say that only Jesus is mankind's judge on the last day?
Can you show me a verse that say there Will be 2 or 3 Mankind's judge oN the last day?
 

Dan_473

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Let's talk about God being a trinity or a unity.

Are these three statements true?
A. Jesus=God
B. The father=God
C. Anytime we see "God" in a statement we can replace it with "Jesus".

If those three statements are all true, then we have
D. The father=Jesus

Is this verse true?
John 14: 28 You heard how I told you, 'I go away, and I come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I.

If so, then we have
E. The father > Jesus

But now
D. The father=Jesus
E. The father > Jesus

And both of those cannot be true.
 

Jackson123

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Jackson my brother, you changed the question!

I'm sure you know that clicking on a person's name when it's at the top of a quote box takes you to the post that is being quoted.

So here's how the series of exchanges happened:








So to answer your question directly, adore and worship overlap in some ways, but not others. They are similar, but not the same.


So, did you want to respond to either of these posts?
I pospone Some response because I believe It Will automatically answere in the next discussion
 

Jackson123

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Let's talk about God being a trinity or a unity.

Are these three statements true?
A. Jesus=God
B. The father=God
C. Anytime we see "God" in a statement we can replace it with "Jesus".

If those three statements are all true, then we have
D. The father=Jesus

Is this verse true?
John 14: 28 You heard how I told you, 'I go away, and I come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I.

If so, then we have
E. The father > Jesus

But now
D. The father=Jesus
E. The father > Jesus

And both of those cannot be true.
Jesus and the Father are 1.

So you can't worship the father and reject Jesus.

Back to who judge Mankind's oN the last day?
Is Jesus or the father?

I believe united state, has 3 element of power

Legislative, Yudiciary and executive

President as an executuve not judge, am I right?
 

Jackson123

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John 14:6

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

I don't believe one say I worship God but reject God Jesus
 

Dan_473

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True God is Jesus did jews have zeal to jesus?
No, Jews as a group do not have a zeal for Jesus.

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Is this verse translated incorrectly then, in your opinion?
Is the translator saying that Jews have a zeal for Jesus?