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the same god tells us he did not give us a spirit of fear but of sound mind
so,you tell me, does he contradict himself. Or are there differing types of fear
Eternal security? or loss of salvation? what does the bible really say on these two subjects!
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the same god tells us he did not give us a spirit of fear but of sound mind
so,you tell me, does he contradict himself. Or are there differing types of fear
I just destroyed it with only 2 verses of scripture.
You'll have to do much better if you think you can convince Christians that they can lose their Salvation.
I think you might have the cart in front of the horse.
We are justified by grace and grace alone, being foreordained to salvation. It is also true that faithfulness brings reward at the bema seat of Christ. The believing and the faith are also of grace of course. I also believe we are participants in some fashion, but to strictly quantify this is a near to impossible, even from the scripture. This is our personal walk, our personal pilgrimage, our individual commission.
Romans 3:24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the ...
Titus 3:7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might ...
Neither. You are confusing "fear" with "being afraid".
"fearing God" and "being afraid of God" are different.
The former causes us to revere His awesome majesty.
The latter causes us to hide from Him with the thought that He might harm us.
There are verses that imply that believing in Jesus is sufficient to be saved.
There are also verses that imply that believing in Jesus is not sufficient to be saved.
That is how denominations exist.
And your denomination was formed out of a profound misunderstanding of James 2:24.
Error is what creates division.
Whoever created your religion would not have gone down that rabbit hole if he'd understood the various definitions of 'justified'.
The precident has never changed: Grace, then Faith, then fruit/works.And yours is accurate because....it is yours?
Paul gives an example of the Christian life as being in a race: 1 Cor. 9: 24-27. In other words to "register" for the race and to be a participant, takes place at conversion. Now, we are excepted for the race, and stand on the START LINE. Not the FINISH LINE. This is where the confusions come in. To stand at the START line and remain there is what James is saying in James 2: 24, and I quote: verse 24, "you see then HOW that by works a man is justified, and not by faith Only". Or the last verse 26: "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith , WITHOUT WORKS, is dead also". The works are the obedience to right living found in the word. The Bible warns that hypocrites liars, fornicators, etc. DO NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.
Hebrew 6 is a excellent place to start . We must begin with verse 1. Once we understand that, then we can understand what comes after.
(1)What are dead works ?
(2) What is faith towards God?
(3) Is faith towards God considered dead works?
(4) If so why?
Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
...because it understands the various definitions and usages of the word 'justified'.And yours is accurate because....it is yours?
Are you saying that the author's intended this meaning or that it seems that they did?
When you say "there are verses that imply"....do you mean that the authors intentionally implied these things?
G 1167 Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
deilia
1) timidity, fearfulness, cowardice
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Relation: from G1169
G5401 φόβος phobos (fo'-ɓos) n.
alarm or fright.
[from a primary phebomai “to be put in fear”]
KJV: be afraid, + exceedingly, fear, terror
G5401 φόβος phobos (fo'-ɓos) n.
alarm or fright.
[from a primary phebomai “to be put in fear”]
KJV: be afraid, + exceedingly, fear, terror
"...we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
God Bless!
Just for clarity to your point....
Ps 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
H3374 יִראָה yir'ah (yir-aw') n-f.
1. fear (also used as infinitive).
2. (morally) reverence.
[feminine of H3373]
KJV: X dreadful, X exceedingly, fear(-fulness).
Ps 112:1 Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments.
H3372 יָרֵא yare' (yaw-ray') v.
1. to fear.
2. (morally) to revere.
3. (causative) to frighten.
[a primitive root]
KJV: affright, be (make) afraid, dread(-ful), (put in) fear(-ful, -fully, -ing), (be had in) reverence(-end), X see, terrible (act, -ness, thing).
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
AMEN!!!!
H3372 יָרֵא yare' (yaw-ray') v.
1. to fear.
2. (morally) to revere.
3. (causative) to frighten.
[a primitive root]
KJV: affright, be (make) afraid, dread(-ful), (put in) fear(-ful, -fully, -ing), (be had in) reverence(-end), X see, terrible (act, -ness, thing).
God Bless!!!
I am saying that none of us read the Bible in a vacuum. We read it based on our pre-conceived knowledge we picked up, either in church or from other people.
Thus, the way we interpret scripture and decide which is relevant and which is not, will not always be the same as the way another interprets.
I wouldn't call circumcision a work. It certainly isn't a work for the eight day old child.