The Reason You are Told that God No Longer Speaks.
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Where in Scripture are the prophecies spoken by Philip's daughters? Where in Scripture are the prophecies spoken by Agabus prior to Acts 11:28? Where in Scripture are the prophecies spoken by Barnabas, Simeon, Lucius, or Manaen?
Your position is bankrupt. You have no explanation. I have given you three situations that you can't refute.
Your position is bankrupt. You have no explanation. I have given you three situations that you can't refute.
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You are endeavoring to change scripture. The Holy Spirit was perfectly careful to give exactly what was given. Joel did not include Gentiles in the prophecy to Israel. Peter did not want to minister to Gentiles until the Holy Spirit again with precision showed that Peter needed to go to the house of Cornelius.
I already acknowledged that the promise of the Holy Spirit was to all flesh. The prophecy and dreams was specific to Israel.
It is far better to teach the truth than it is to dilute the truth to meet personal ideals.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I already acknowledged that the promise of the Holy Spirit was to all flesh. The prophecy and dreams was specific to Israel.
It is far better to teach the truth than it is to dilute the truth to meet personal ideals.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
So your position is that you are a blind leader? If so why do you want to lead others into the ditch with you? You have done this in the past. Start out stating that you do not know something and then plow forward expecting to go deeper into error and somehow arrive at the truth?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You see there in lies the problem, the scripture I just posted literally says these things will occur people would have dreams and visions and how often may I ask did people receive prophetic dreams and visions in the bible?
The scriptures not only support my position they are a reoccurring theme all throughout the bible.
It isn't as if I asked for these things to happen to me they just happen out of nowhere, even if I ask for them to happen they don't when I ask they happen only when he decides. as for the pretrib rapture and seven year tribulation firstly I never stated what rapture I saw or what tribulation I experienced but I think you have been here long enough to know that interpretation is quite a powerful force in these kind of topics.
Maybe you don't believe in a pretrib mid trib post trib or whatever however this also doesn't make you right. If you study the scriptures there is evidence to support all those views depending on how you look at it so sometimes instead of holding to our own views and beliefs so tightly we have to learn to loosen our grip a bit to see the truth we would have missed otherwise. until you are able to do this all you will see in the scriptures is your own view and thus even if the truth is revealed to you it will remain hidden.
The scriptures not only support my position they are a reoccurring theme all throughout the bible.
It isn't as if I asked for these things to happen to me they just happen out of nowhere, even if I ask for them to happen they don't when I ask they happen only when he decides. as for the pretrib rapture and seven year tribulation firstly I never stated what rapture I saw or what tribulation I experienced but I think you have been here long enough to know that interpretation is quite a powerful force in these kind of topics.
Maybe you don't believe in a pretrib mid trib post trib or whatever however this also doesn't make you right. If you study the scriptures there is evidence to support all those views depending on how you look at it so sometimes instead of holding to our own views and beliefs so tightly we have to learn to loosen our grip a bit to see the truth we would have missed otherwise. until you are able to do this all you will see in the scriptures is your own view and thus even if the truth is revealed to you it will remain hidden.
Hey Angela where have you been? I love your testimony it reminds me of Jonah the stubborn prophet he also was very stubborn in listening to God but he eventually did.
I love that still small voice it's like a whisper that you can only hear when your actually listening and drawing near to God in mind and spirit is what allows us to hear it. There are times when sometimes I just soak in it and I treasure those times with him I love to hear his voice although it isn't an outspoken voice however it is also much deeper and soothing to our souls than a mere voice. I have heard his voice in my mind before but that was more for direction or to remind me of his words
I love that still small voice it's like a whisper that you can only hear when your actually listening and drawing near to God in mind and spirit is what allows us to hear it. There are times when sometimes I just soak in it and I treasure those times with him I love to hear his voice although it isn't an outspoken voice however it is also much deeper and soothing to our souls than a mere voice. I have heard his voice in my mind before but that was more for direction or to remind me of his words
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I might suggest you read Acts 10 again, because even this single chapter supports most of the things mentioned throughout this thread (and others) such as:
The bible tells us we can't trust our own heart, saying "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked". Jeremiah 17:9
The bible tells us we cant trust other humans, saying "Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders" - Jeremiah 9:4
The bible tells us we CAN trust God "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding"
The problem is that most "leaders" are blind leaders...not knowing God's voice and not teaching others how to reach him, thus fulfilling the words of Jesus:
If you don't want to hear God's voice (and therefore continue to lean on your own understanding of scriptures, or trusting whatever man taught you) that's your right. But please don't try to keep others from reaching him. Because God still speaks.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
- God spoke to Cornelius (a non-christian) by an angel
- God began to open Peter's understanding by giving him a vision,
- God also spoke to Peter IN that vision
- God spoke directly to Peter outside the vision
- God gave the Holy Ghost to those who heard...causing them to speak in tongues.
- Their current understanding & beliefs,
- What they had been taught in synagogue, and
- the bulk of the scriptures... the Law & prophets... their "Bible".
The bible tells us we can't trust our own heart, saying "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked". Jeremiah 17:9
The bible tells us we cant trust other humans, saying "Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders" - Jeremiah 9:4
The bible tells us we CAN trust God "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding"
The problem is that most "leaders" are blind leaders...not knowing God's voice and not teaching others how to reach him, thus fulfilling the words of Jesus:
"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." - Matthew 23:13
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"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered." - Luke 11:52
If you don't want to hear God's voice (and therefore continue to lean on your own understanding of scriptures, or trusting whatever man taught you) that's your right. But please don't try to keep others from reaching him. Because God still speaks.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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Most people are honest enough to admit that they are (or at least were) "blind". In other words, we admit that we didn't know God, or had difficulty understanding what is really being said in the bible. And although perhaps embarrassed, we were humble enough to receive instruction from someone who is willing to guide us.
Then, at some point, we met someone who said "Hey, you need to know about God (or Jesus). Let me teach you."
And we said "Ok. That sounds good." And we began to let them lead us, or perhaps to take us to someone even more knowledgeable. And they began to teach us how to "see" certain scriptures.
However, there is a danger hidden within this scenario, and Jesus warns us about it. He said "If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".
The question becomes "Wow, that's a scary thought. How could I find out if the person that leads me is blind?"
Well, you could ask the person leading you how to recognize a "blind leader". And I almost guarantee that they will give you an answer that does not point at him or herself as a blind leader.
What most will do is to point you to the scriptures to find the answers....encouraging you to revisit the scriptures they've told you are the most important ones... and that they've been teaching you how to interpret. Please don't miss the importance of the previous sentence. They know what you will find if you look at the scriptures the way they have taught you.
Now you're left with a problem.... How can you know the TRUTH if you may have been taught to "see" by the blind?
If you look at the scriptures by the way you were taught, you will only find the answers you’ve been taught to find...“Seeing” the scriptures through the eyes of your leaders, whether they are blind or not.
If you try to look at the scriptures without what you’ve been taught, you’re only left with yourself...and you’ve already admitted that you were blind before learning from your leaders.
So what should you do about this problem?
Simple… When we can’t “see” and don’t know who to trust, we need to directly ask the only person we can truly trust (God) until he answers.
God cannot lie. And he will only speak truth...even about your leaders. If they are blind leaders, God would tell that truth to you if you ever gain the ability to hear from God directly...and THAT is the reason you are told that God no longer speaks.
Does God speak? Yes. He says “My sheep hear my voice”. And he cannot lie. <--that means he still speaks and at least some still hear..
So... Have you heard his voice? If not, you should be asking sincerely why not, and how you can. But I recommend that you ask the one you can trust, not the ones you should have asked about before trusting them with your eternity. (You need to go to God, not man...not even me, if you REALLY want to know the truth.)
BTW, Just because you can’t see clearly doesn’t mean you can’t hear.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
“He that hath an ear, let him hear.”
Then, at some point, we met someone who said "Hey, you need to know about God (or Jesus). Let me teach you."
And we said "Ok. That sounds good." And we began to let them lead us, or perhaps to take us to someone even more knowledgeable. And they began to teach us how to "see" certain scriptures.
However, there is a danger hidden within this scenario, and Jesus warns us about it. He said "If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".
The question becomes "Wow, that's a scary thought. How could I find out if the person that leads me is blind?"
Well, you could ask the person leading you how to recognize a "blind leader". And I almost guarantee that they will give you an answer that does not point at him or herself as a blind leader.
What most will do is to point you to the scriptures to find the answers....encouraging you to revisit the scriptures they've told you are the most important ones... and that they've been teaching you how to interpret. Please don't miss the importance of the previous sentence. They know what you will find if you look at the scriptures the way they have taught you.
Now you're left with a problem.... How can you know the TRUTH if you may have been taught to "see" by the blind?
If you look at the scriptures by the way you were taught, you will only find the answers you’ve been taught to find...“Seeing” the scriptures through the eyes of your leaders, whether they are blind or not.
If you try to look at the scriptures without what you’ve been taught, you’re only left with yourself...and you’ve already admitted that you were blind before learning from your leaders.
So what should you do about this problem?
Simple… When we can’t “see” and don’t know who to trust, we need to directly ask the only person we can truly trust (God) until he answers.
God cannot lie. And he will only speak truth...even about your leaders. If they are blind leaders, God would tell that truth to you if you ever gain the ability to hear from God directly...and THAT is the reason you are told that God no longer speaks.
Does God speak? Yes. He says “My sheep hear my voice”. And he cannot lie. <--that means he still speaks and at least some still hear..
So... Have you heard his voice? If not, you should be asking sincerely why not, and how you can. But I recommend that you ask the one you can trust, not the ones you should have asked about before trusting them with your eternity. (You need to go to God, not man...not even me, if you REALLY want to know the truth.)
BTW, Just because you can’t see clearly doesn’t mean you can’t hear.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
“He that hath an ear, let him hear.”
As a human, if you want an apple do you speak to yourself, go ger that apple, cut it IP in small pieces and eat it. Or do you just think it VIA YOUR Spirit Man? Likewise, God doesn't have to physically speak to us to communicate. he simply does it in the Spirit realm, and only those in tune with God hear that voice.
This notion that God doesn't speak unto us now days is preposterous. People who do not understand how to operate in the Spirit thus put it forth. The rest of us are like, REALLY???????????????
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I only just saw this post and I have to say I am disappointed. I don't know what history you have had with Kelby but as far as I have seen she is a very Godly person who speaks with honesty and truth, to call her a blind leader accusing her of leading people into a ditch is uncalled for. If you disagree with kelby about this subject that is your right but you have no right to call her a blind leader from via disagreement
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God speaks to us through his Word. Before his Word was given in full God spoke through the prophets, and then through his Son, and then through the apostles. But now today God's Word is in full.
Therefore, God speaks to us through his completed Word.
If he still speaks new words today, then who are the prophets that are receiving and recording these words?
I would caution anyone who is trying to hear voices.
Therefore, God speaks to us through his completed Word.
If he still speaks new words today, then who are the prophets that are receiving and recording these words?
I would caution anyone who is trying to hear voices.
The danger in your view is that scripture says scripture thoroughly furnishes us. It says tongues and prophecy only provided partial knowledge. Peter says, even though they heard God speak audibly, they now have a more sure word of prophecy in the scriptures because they are not of anyone's private interpretation. Adding to God's word got Nadab and Abihu when they offered "strange fire" God did not authorize. And claiming extra-canonical revelation is exactly that.