CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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miknik5 said:
John 16 is sufficient to all believers in CHRIST JESUS...

If you are sick, do not neglect doing what you are responsible to do...that is, go to the doctor...but while doing your part, the part you are responsible and capable of doing, (going to the doctor), do not ever neglect prayer to the ONE whom you have believed in...

Please refer to and remember John 16...CHRISTŚ INSTRUCTIONS to HIS BODY...

And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you

23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
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Jesus first.
Doctors kill and pill push way too much.
 
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Also, believers in CHRIST will never go to spiritists any other but THE ONE whom they have believed in...
If they did, they already make manifest that they do not belong to CHRIST....
 
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Absolutely said:
Jesus authenticated himself through sign and miracles.
He said to tell john that dynamic when he was in jail.
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that was for @Sudakar because he does not seem to see it that way...that these signs were to attest to the TRUTH that JESUS is the ONE who heals.

But both...spiritually and physically

However, if one who is healed spiritually, does not receive a physical healing...they are STILL healed...and haven´t done anything wrong....if CHRIST heals them physically, wonderful...if HE doesn´t choose to heal them physically, do NOT stop praying and trusting in HIM.,,,oneś faith should be in HIM as the ONE who, although we may not understand fully what is happening, does heal...and all things work out for the best for those who love GOD and are called according to HIS PURPOSE

This poster implies that one is sick because they do not have faith in CHRIST´S BLOOD...
But CHRISTŚ BLOOD is what healed us SPIRITUALLY...first and foremost.

Christians, too...will be and will get sick.
 
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He wants us to declare CHRISTś atonement...to declare HIS BLOOD...and I WANT TO and we ALL should pray TO THE ONE who already healed us...spiritually by HIS BLOOD.
If we are healed physically, wonderful...all glory and praise to HIM
If we are NOT healed physically, our faith is still in HIM...directed in and on HIM...all glory and praise to HIM who already healed us by HIS BLOOD....
 
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miknik5 said:
He wants us to declare CHRISTś atonement...to declare HIS BLOOD...and I WANT TO and we ALL should pray TO THE ONE who already healed us...spiritually by HIS BLOOD.
If we are healed physically, wonderful...all glory and praise to HIM
If we are NOT healed physically, our faith is still in HIM...directed in and on HIM...all glory and praise to HIM who already healed us by HIS BLOOD....
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I partially agree.
Sometimes there is a road block to healing.
The Holy Spirit will reveal it.

Jesus said many sleep and are sick because of improper discernment.
 
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Absolutely said:
I partially agree.
Sometimes there is a road block to healing.
The Holy Spirit will reveal it.

Jesus said many sleep and are sick because of improper discernment.
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Please remind me of this scripture...I don´t recall it
 
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Absolutely said:
I partially agree.
Sometimes there is a road block to healing.
The Holy Spirit will reveal it.

Jesus said many sleep and are sick because of improper discernment.
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Oh, he also thinks that christians go off to Benny HInnś of the world...and anyone who does already makes manifest that they do NOT belong to CHRIST...because we are NEVER, and why should we, go to (dead) spirits over THE LIVING GOD????
 
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miknik5 said:
Please remind me of this scripture...I don´t recall it
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That had to do with those who were forgetting the body and blood of CHRIST as they came together to celebrate the LORDŚ SUPPER...
 
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miknik5 said:
That had to do with those who were forgetting the body and blood of CHRIST as they came together to celebrate the LORDŚ SUPPER...
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I know, the word "discern" is used.
 
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They were coming together but not with good hearts...there was strife and resentment and each were not looking after the other...they were ¨celebrating¨ the LORD´S SUPPER in an unworthy manner
 
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miknik5 said:
They were coming together but not with good hearts...there was strife and resentment and each were not looking after the other...they were ¨celebrating¨ the LORD´S SUPPER in an unworthy manner
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I know why they were, 1cor 11 tells us. eating and drink the Lord's body unworthily. Paul instructs them to self-exam and discern the elements respectfully,
 
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I know why they were, 1cor 11 tells us. eating and drink the Lord's body unworthily. Paul instructs them to self-exam and discern the elements respectfully,
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Then a person who is sick, should also examine their conscience, ask for forgiveness if there is something that they are made conscious of, stop doing it, still go to the doctor, and still pray to GOD for healing...
 
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miknik5 said:
Then a person who is sick, should also examine their conscience, ask for forgiveness if there is something that they are made conscious of, stop doing it, still go to the doctor, and still pray to GOD for healing...
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I am not in that discussion as to the use of a doctor or not taking meds :). I am just speaking as to 1cor 11. You work out your own salvation with fear & trembling.
 
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QUOTE="Absolutely, post: 4245883, member: 272916"]Unitedwithchrists's main ministry is attacking charismatics.
He hates charismatics and the Holy Spirit.
He thinks he is doing good by attacking christ's body.[/QUOTE]
This is simply not true. What he hates, so far I understand his posts, is faith destructive, false teaching. Its the teaching, not the Person. So what is wrong with that?
 
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miknik5 said:
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His grace upon believer and unbeliever alike.


No. they can go to the doctors but should not neglect prayer and should depend on GOD to heal them.
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God heals unbelievers also by His grace given through Christ's atonement, though they have no faith in Christ's atonement.

But if any christian seeks healing from God's grace but rejects faith in His grace given only through Christ's atonement, he commits apostasy in the area of healing.
 
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wolfwint said:
QUOTE="Absolutely, post: 4245883, member: 272916"]Unitedwithchrists's main ministry is attacking charismatics.
He hates charismatics and the Holy Spirit.
He thinks he is doing good by attacking christ's body.
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This is simply not true. What he hates, so far I understand his posts, is faith destructive, false teaching. Its the teaching, not the Person. So what is wrong with that?[/QUOTE]

Charismatics teach "healing by gifted ministers". Bible teaches about "healing through faith in Christ's atonement".

But those obsessed with charismatics do not understand the difference and start attacking the latter which pleases God.

Thus they leave the atonement for healing as if Christ's atonement is incomplete and thus commit apostasy!
 
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miknik5 said:
They were coming together but not with good hearts...there was strife and resentment and each were not looking after the other...they were ¨celebrating¨ the LORD´S SUPPER in an unworthy manner
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None is worthy seen through the moral law. Partaking the Lord's supper is an admission of the truth one is accepted by God by His grace given only through Christ's atonement. But you go to the doctor by denying the Atonement's efficacy to heal according to Isaiah 53:4!
 
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