creationist debate?

[biker]

Oh yes there should be...but not a water that you would have distinguished as living and necessary water...more like soupy cosmos...dark, void, and formless...nothingness...

Wow, your "soupy cosmos" is the soup theory for the Big Bang!

I do not buy the Bang Theory, so I do not buy your explanation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why was water on the Earth to begin with?
If it is a NEW CREATION, there should not even be water!
The center of Earth is molten lava. That produces rock, not water.

There is no life apart from water

Water is the most important element, without it there is no life

So if God created the most important element first. I am not going to argue with him

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow, your "soupy cosmos" is the soup theory for the Big Bang!

I do not buy the Bang Theory, so I do not buy your explanation.

so your trying to discredit a theory you do not believe in, And not listenign to what others say and determining if t=what they say has any merit?

Thats not very nice

 

[biker]

Or maybe in its original state that is how it was. The land and all in it was yet to be formed..

Or maybe it is the result of God throwing Satan around 1 billion miles per hour into the face of Earth and it created this state.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Or maybe it is the result of God throwing Satan around 1 billion miles per hour into the face of Earth and it created this state.

who said satan was even created yet?

And satan is spirit. If God through satan at the earth, he would go right through it without causing any damage,, The earth is physical..

 

[biker]

Jeremiah 4 begins at Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.


Jeremiah 4:
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jeremiah 4 begins at Genesis 1:2

Jeremiah 4 fits into Revelation 6.

 

[biker]

Jeremiah 4 begins at Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.


Jeremiah 4:
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah claims there was once man, once birds, once it had cities, once it was a fruitful place, that was until the ANGER of God broke it down until the Earth was without form, void, and no light.

This is where God tossed Satan into it!

 

[biker]

Jeremiah 4 fits into Revelation 6.

Now that is a stretch!
Not a single verse in Rev 6 matches Jeremiahs like it matches Genesis 1:2 to perfection!

 

[biker]

And we know it speaks of birds in Revelation because they eat the flesh in Armageddon. Jeremiah claims NO BIRDS. So obviously not a match.

 

[biker]

Jeremiah speaks of the Earth in Genesis 1:1 and explains why we find it like it is in Genesis 1:2, thus is your "Gap Theory."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jeremiah 4 begins at Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.


Jeremiah 4:
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

sounds like a flood to me

 

[biker]

Jeremiah 4 begins at Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.


Jeremiah 4:
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Look at verse 27 from the Hebrew:
After what we read in verses 23-26:

27 For so says the Lord: All the land shall be a desolation, but I will not make an end.
כזכִּי־כֹה֙ אָמַ֣ר יְהֹוָ֔ה שְׁמָמָ֥ה תִֽהְיֶ֖ה כָּל־הָאָ֑רֶץ וְכָלָ֖ה לֹ֥א אֶעֱשֶֽׂה:

God said, I will not make an END, meaning He chose to do the Creation we know with Adam.

 

[biker]

sounds like a flood to me

But not Noah's Flood!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jeremiah speaks of the Earth in Genesis 1:1 and explains why we find it like it is in Genesis 1:2, thus is your "Gap Theory."

Thats an assumption. Jut because it used the same term does not mean it was the same

The gap theory is false

There was no life before 1:3 if there was there was death, And since death was a result of sin, Therefore it states God punished the earth before there was even sin

 

[biker]

Look at verse 27 from the Hebrew:
After what we read in verses 23-26:

27 For so says the Lord: All the land shall be a desolation, but I will not make an end.
כזכִּי־כֹה֙ אָמַ֣ר יְהֹוָ֔ה שְׁמָמָ֥ה תִֽהְיֶ֖ה כָּל־הָאָ֑רֶץ וְכָלָ֖ה לֹ֥א אֶעֱשֶֽׂה:

God said, I will not make an END, meaning He chose to do the Creation we know with Adam.

In the Story of Noah, He instruct the Ark to first be built, but in Jeremiah, He just kills them off!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Look at verse 27 from the Hebrew:
After what we read in verses 23-26:

27 For so says the Lord: All the land shall be a desolation, but I will not make an end.
כזכִּי־כֹה֙ אָמַ֣ר יְהֹוָ֔ה שְׁמָמָ֥ה תִֽהְיֶ֖ה כָּל־הָאָ֑רֶץ וְכָלָ֖ה לֹ֥א אֶעֱשֶֽׂה:

God said, I will not make an END, meaning He chose to do the Creation we know with Adam.

This is speaking of the land promise of Israel what does this have to do with creation

 

[biker]

Thats an assumption. Jut because it used the same term does not mean it was the same

The gap theory is false

There was no life before 1:3 if there was there was death, And since death was a result of sin, Therefore it states God punished the earth before there was even sin

There was no Satan either!
After Satan fell, then a way to the Messiah was needed.
That was made through Adam.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In the Story of Noah, He instruct the Ark to first be built, but in Jeremiah, He just kills them off!

Then it could not be gen 1: 2, because God had not even created man yet There was nothing to "kill off"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There was no Satan either!
After Satan fell, then a way to the Messiah was needed.

A way for messaih was needed when Adam and eve sinned, until then, no messiah was needed