creationist debate?

[biker]

This does NOT change 2 Peter 2:5...Peter had already referred to the world that was overflowed by water, as Noahś flood, which indeed they were ignorant to and because they did not listen to Noah, a preacher of righteousness (which Peter also refers to in this letter) they did indeed perish

You referenced 2 Peter 2. initially as your support of another flood, but you left off 2 Peter 5 as the identifier of NOAH´S flood, when you used 2 Peter 2:6 as your support for this opinion....and you do understand that you can not separate 2 Peter 2 from 2 Peter 3.

The whole letter must be read in context for FULL understanding.

It actually does, you just reject it.

 

[miknik5]

If there were NO CLOUDS prior to Noah's flood and clouds after, it would had been a benefit to all life to have clouds. Your thinking is reversed on this matter. Where we find most Dinosaur bones are from Volcanic activity. This means Volcanic activity played a major role in the destruction of Dinosaurs, NOT WATER! And Volcanoes would spew poisonous gases so even NOAH would had died. Dinosaurs were on Earth WAY BEFORE ADAM!

This is all opinion....

 

[biker]

I miswrote it then ,because it has always been 2 Peter chapter 3.

 

[biker]

This is all opinion....

No, that is how it Scientifically works. Just like a rainbow is nothing but a spectrum. It's really easy to figure out once you understand meteorology.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yes, and as long as there is sun, what's under water will live.

Not when the underground is 15 cubits under the waterline. Not when the flood was so massive and so sudden, that all life on earth would have been destroyed. and the deposits which are layed down by the flood is so deep. anything that was in place was fossilized. We can see from the fossil record and things like the grand canyon how the flood changed all things

 

[miknik5]

I have done a study. There’s 9 fruits...we have all fallen short

This is adding to the WORD of GOD...if you believe there are 9 fruits, you are responsible to grow in those additional fruits, but you are not to lay additional rules for your brother/sisiter

 

[biker]

Not when the underground is 15 cubits under the waterline. Not when the flood was so massive and so sudden, that all life on earth would have been destroyed. and the deposits which are layed down by the flood is so deep. anything that was in place was fossilized. We can see from the fossil record and things like the grand canyon how the flood changed all things

This timeline chart shows that it is indeed Scientifically possible for plants, trees, grass to have survived even in deeper waters for the length of Noah's Flood.

 

[miknik5]

It actually does, you just reject it.

This actually opens up more questions, sir.

Specifically who created the Neanderthal....and why
And who are the Nephilim...

Please answer these two questions with regards to your idea that there was an additional earth prior to Adam and Eve. And why GOD created it

 

[miknik5]

No, that is how it Scientifically works. Just like a rainbow is nothing but a spectrum. It's really easy to figure out once you understand meteorology.

If GOD is able to water the earth without the help of rain, sir...then vegetation without clouds, prior to man having to toil and work the earth and depend on rain, would have still thrived...

 

[biker]

This actually opens up more questions, sir.

Specifically who created the Neanderthal....and why
And who are the Nephilim...

Please answer these two questions with regards to your idea that there was an additional earth prior to Adam and Eve

First of all, even though I love Science, I reject their classification of the hominid in many timelines. I do not reject some of the dating on the human remains we have found, because the oldest remains have only dated to about 12,000 years ago (which is the time of the Earth and its Creation listed in Genesis 1:1).

And the Nephilim were the offspring of those Angels kicked out of Heaven who then had sex with human women.

 

[biker]

If GOD is able to water the earth without the help of rain, sir...then vegetation without clouds, prior to man having to toil and work the earth and depend on rain, would have still thrived...

But for the time we are discussing (Adam to his immediate offspring) we are only talking about a small portion of land. Even the Land of Nod was next door. So, we are not talking about multiple Continents yet or big land mass.

 

[miknik5]

First of all, even though I love Science, I reject their classification of the hominid in many timelines. I do not reject some of the dating on the human remains we have found, because the oldest remains have only dated to about 12,000 years ago (which is the time of the Earth and its Creation listed in Genesis 1:1).

And the Nephilim were the offspring of those Angels kicked out of Heaven who then had sex with human women.

so GOD created the Neanderthal man, THE LOST man, purposely NOT for salvation?
Why?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have and a Mastodon is an elephant times 10. Outside the alligator, the mastodons heritage leads to something still in existence today. I first claimed mastodon and believe that is what this speaks of.

The mastodon does not have a tail like a cedar tree. His strength is not in his The power is not in his stomach muscles. and he is not the greatest (most powerful) of all Gods creatures.

 

[biker]

We are basically discussing Mesopotamia as being the only place where humans existed until after Noah!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh no. I don't believe the gap theory solves any questions about the age of the universe. I am a conservative. I believe God made the earth in 6 literal days. The gap could have been any amount of time, or independent of time.

When God made Adam and Eve, I don't think He made two babies and a field of dirt and gave them a bag of seeds to plant and said "here you go, good luck". No, I believe He made two human adults and a world with age accounted for in order to sustain life. E.g. tree rings already in the trees.
I believe God created the universe in 6 literal days, with the appearance of age. In this case the universe may appear older, when it is actually not.

ok,
sorry

When you mention GAP theory I was confused. The gap theory states that there is a GAP between Gen 1: 1 and Gen 1: 3 of an unknown time period. up to billions of years. Which accounts for everything

 

[biker]

so GOD created the Neanderthal man, THE LOST man, who will have no salvation, for what reason, sir?

God created humans knowing that if there was 50 trillion persons to ever exist, that only 10% will actually accept God.

When the Hebrew people existed, the Egyptians, Asians, Greeks, Babylonians, Persians, Meades, Canaanites, Edomites, about a hundred more sects of people I could list that were all were going to hell.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's 2 Peter (3):

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

^
This clarifies Genesis 1:2 and gives the same description as Genesis 1:2

No

This is talking about Noahs flood.

Not gen 1: 2, Which was the origional state of Creation

 

[biker]

No

This is talking about Noahs flood.

Not gen 1: 2, Which was the origional state of Creation

You and I will have to agree to disagree then.

 

[EleventhHour]

Yes, 9 years! It has been a long time...seek and you will find. “By their fruits you will know them” & “test every spirit, to see if it is from God”

Matthew 7:16 is not referring to fruits of the spirit.

 

[miknik5]

The seventh one was given the day off.

the SEVENTH ONE was THERE....