Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?
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Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
While I'm away, please explain how God is gonna raise up Jesus at the time of Jacob's trouble. Maybe you can find a second witness to that verse.
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
While I'm away, please explain how God is gonna raise up Jesus at the time of Jacob's trouble. Maybe you can find a second witness to that verse.
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Absolutely 100% wrong. The 7 letters to 7 Churches are loaded with prophecy, and have zero OT precident. Also dozens upon dozenss of previously unknown events detailed here only and nowhere else.
Rev 1:17
"Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this."
Rev 1:17
"Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this."
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Yes. The apostles were also prophets. Paul had several spiritual gifts at the same time (2 Tim 1:11) but also spoke prophetically on several occasions.
A prophet -- according to Scripture -- is a man who speaks or writes by divine revelation, and therefore gives us the words of God: For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. (1 Thess 2:13)
PETER: A MORE SURE WORD OF PROPHECY
Peter speaks of himself (and by extension of all the other apostles) when he says this:
We [apostles] have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:19-21)
Peter prophesied about the supernatural burning up of the earth and its atmosphere and the New Heavens and the New Earth (2 Peter 3:7-13)
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
PAUL: VISIONS AND REVELATIONS OF THE LORD
1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. (2 Cor 12:1-5)
Paul prophesied about the Second Coming of Christ thus (2 Thess 1:7-10):
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
JOHN: THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Rev 22:18,19)
The entire book of Revelation is prophetic, but everything from the 6th chapter onwards speaks of future events.
A prophet -- according to Scripture -- is a man who speaks or writes by divine revelation, and therefore gives us the words of God: For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. (1 Thess 2:13)
PETER: A MORE SURE WORD OF PROPHECY
Peter speaks of himself (and by extension of all the other apostles) when he says this:
We [apostles] have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:19-21)
Peter prophesied about the supernatural burning up of the earth and its atmosphere and the New Heavens and the New Earth (2 Peter 3:7-13)
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
PAUL: VISIONS AND REVELATIONS OF THE LORD
1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. (2 Cor 12:1-5)
Paul prophesied about the Second Coming of Christ thus (2 Thess 1:7-10):
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
JOHN: THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Rev 22:18,19)
The entire book of Revelation is prophetic, but everything from the 6th chapter onwards speaks of future events.
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[not that this is speaking of the same TIME-SLOT, mind you] ... but do you recall my posts about...
how in Acts 3, Peter, in speaking of Jesus, referred to the TWO "raise up" senses...
1) ONE of them being BEFORE His death ('raised up' to a position of prominence); and
2) the OTHER being AFTER His death ('raised up' out-from the dead).
An example of the former would be what we see written in Acts 7:18 [/Ex1:8], which states, "Till another king arose [G450 - same word as in *Acts 3:22,26], which knew not Joseph."
[ * Acts 3:22,26 (BEFORE His death / His earthly ministry BEFORE the Cross) ]
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And we know that that king in Acts 7:18/Ex1:8 was not "raised [G450] out-from the dead" but rather, "raised [G450] to a position of PROMINENCE".
And so, we see this is consistent with how the word "KING" [re: Jesus] is used ONLY 2x in all of the epistles, and BOTH of them speak of it as "FUTURE tense" (ex. 1Tim6:15 "which in His times HE SHALL SHEW [openly manifest], who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords" [a phrase used only elsewhere in Rev19:16, and in the reverse sequence in Rev17:14, both future to us]; and then Rev19:15b saying "SHALL [FUTURE] shepherd them [/the nations] with a rod [/sceptre] of iron [righteousness and strength]," that is, FUTURE even to that point in time, which is His RETURN to the earth point in time Rev19)
how in Acts 3, Peter, in speaking of Jesus, referred to the TWO "raise up" senses...
1) ONE of them being BEFORE His death ('raised up' to a position of prominence); and
2) the OTHER being AFTER His death ('raised up' out-from the dead).
An example of the former would be what we see written in Acts 7:18 [/Ex1:8], which states, "Till another king arose [G450 - same word as in *Acts 3:22,26], which knew not Joseph."
[ * Acts 3:22,26 (BEFORE His death / His earthly ministry BEFORE the Cross) ]
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And we know that that king in Acts 7:18/Ex1:8 was not "raised [G450] out-from the dead" but rather, "raised [G450] to a position of PROMINENCE".
And so, we see this is consistent with how the word "KING" [re: Jesus] is used ONLY 2x in all of the epistles, and BOTH of them speak of it as "FUTURE tense" (ex. 1Tim6:15 "which in His times HE SHALL SHEW [openly manifest], who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords" [a phrase used only elsewhere in Rev19:16, and in the reverse sequence in Rev17:14, both future to us]; and then Rev19:15b saying "SHALL [FUTURE] shepherd them [/the nations] with a rod [/sceptre] of iron [righteousness and strength]," that is, FUTURE even to that point in time, which is His RETURN to the earth point in time Rev19)
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Actually....everything from Rev 4 onward is yet future, as the Rapture (the 24 elders in heaven) has yet to occur.
"After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne. And he who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian, and around the throne was a rainbow that had the appearance of an emerald. Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders, clothed in white garments, with golden crowns on their heads."
"After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne. And he who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian, and around the throne was a rainbow that had the appearance of an emerald. Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders, clothed in white garments, with golden crowns on their heads."
Superb reference to Peter's prophecy of future judgement.
All of these revealed mysteries are NT prophecy as well...
https://biblehub.net/searchnt.php?q=mystery
https://biblehub.com/greek/3466.htm
All of these revealed mysteries are NT prophecy as well...
https://biblehub.net/searchnt.php?q=mystery
https://biblehub.com/greek/3466.htm
Yet future all of you preterists and amillenialists. And our blessed hope the harpazo can occur at ANY MOMENT. The warnings are profuse and urgent. Deny imminency at your peril.
Rev 1:5-7
"To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom,priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen."
Rev 1:5-7
"To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom,priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen."
I was asking if any person in the Bible was called the prophet ________. There are none that I know of because as the scripture says, the law and the prophets were until John or to make it even clearer:
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
The law and the prophets job of prophesying were completed at John. But in your view the prophets weren’t done, there had to be more prophets to come because the prophesying wasn’t complete.
I can’t go along with that line of thought, it goes against scripture plus I can see with my own eyes that there are no new prophecies after John.
Your dispensationalist so you won’t accept this but 70 weeks were determined to seal up the vision and the prophecy, that means to complete it.
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
The law and the prophets job of prophesying were completed at John. But in your view the prophets weren’t done, there had to be more prophets to come because the prophesying wasn’t complete.
I can’t go along with that line of thought, it goes against scripture plus I can see with my own eyes that there are no new prophecies after John.
Your dispensationalist so you won’t accept this but 70 weeks were determined to seal up the vision and the prophecy, that means to complete it.
Everyone knows what raised up means, it means to come from a lower place to a higher place. It can mean prominence, death or many other things. In the case we’re talking about it means prominence and that is said to have happened in Acts 3:26.
Act 3:26 (KJV) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Jesus has already been raised up to the Jews, do you think Jesus has fallen or lost his prominence and needs to be raised up again?
Seriously do you think God has to raise Jesus up for the Jews again?
And here we go again with typical dispensational rationale.... theres two fulfillment’s of everything because one fulfillment totally blows away dispensational theology.
Act 3:26 (KJV) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Jesus has already been raised up to the Jews, do you think Jesus has fallen or lost his prominence and needs to be raised up again?
Seriously do you think God has to raise Jesus up for the Jews again?
And here we go again with typical dispensational rationale.... theres two fulfillment’s of everything because one fulfillment totally blows away dispensational theology.
Think about what you're saying though.
You're saying the following verse cannot be true (re: Jesus), because of what Matt11:13 seems to be saying in your view:
"For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up to you a prophet like me out from your brothers. You will listen to Him in all things, as many as He might say to you." Acts 3:22. This is speaking of Jesus' earthly ministry BEFORE His death.
Was He "A PROPHET" or not? (see Acts 3:22, 26, etc). According to your view, no.
So, read again, "for all the prophets and the law till John did prophesy." Then what?? What followed that point in time?
You're saying the following verse cannot be true (re: Jesus), because of what Matt11:13 seems to be saying in your view:
"For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up to you a prophet like me out from your brothers. You will listen to Him in all things, as many as He might say to you." Acts 3:22. This is speaking of Jesus' earthly ministry BEFORE His death.
Was He "A PROPHET" or not? (see Acts 3:22, 26, etc). According to your view, no.
So, read again, "for all the prophets and the law till John did prophesy." Then what?? What followed that point in time?
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Except Jesus (during His earthly ministry BEFORE His death [so, AS PROPHET]) "SAID":
"I have YET MANY THINGS to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13 But when He the, Spirit of truth, shall come, He will guide you into all the truth [i.e. what we have RECORDED in the NT epistles and Revelation, see]. For He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He may hear, He will speak. And He will declare to you the things coming. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take from that which is Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Because of this, I said that He will take from that which is Mine and will disclose it to you.
[again, see 1Cor2:[9-]10,12,16b... which is referring to what we now have RECORDED (/WRITTEN) in the NT epistles and Rev]
"I have YET MANY THINGS to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13 But when He the, Spirit of truth, shall come, He will guide you into all the truth [i.e. what we have RECORDED in the NT epistles and Revelation, see]. For He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He may hear, He will speak. And He will declare to you the things coming. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take from that which is Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Because of this, I said that He will take from that which is Mine and will disclose it to you.
[again, see 1Cor2:[9-]10,12,16b... which is referring to what we now have RECORDED (/WRITTEN) in the NT epistles and Rev]
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The law and the prophets were prophesying Jesus as the coming Son of God that will be given to the Israel. (example Jeremiah 23:6)
Once John came, he was the final prophet that announced Jesus in the flesh to Israel, Jesus came in the flesh after him.
That passage is not saying that there are no more prophets after John.
Once John came, he was the final prophet that announced Jesus in the flesh to Israel, Jesus came in the flesh after him.
That passage is not saying that there are no more prophets after John.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+5&version=KJV
This is the most critical part in that as you said the Revelation given to John had never been spoken of in the OT but also in the NT up till after the Lamb was slain. Before the lamb was slain none were found worthy to loose it's seals or look upon the Revelation. Which means that it was not found in the OT nor the NT(including the Olivet Discourse),,,it was loosed and looked upon after the Lamb was slain according to Scripture.
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That's your opinion of what those verses mean, I don't agree with that plus your view doesn't line up with the prophets prophesying until John.
Not only does dispensationalism throw out the prophets ending with John, it also totally rejects John the Baptist as being Elijah. This is done because both of those facts debunk the dispensational view.
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Not only does dispensationalism throw out the prophets ending with John, it also totally rejects John the Baptist as being Elijah. This is done because both of those facts debunk the dispensational view.
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.