Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?

[KJV1611]

"....Do you think....?" sounds like Satanic hissing to me bub. And from you...very commonly used.

You get angry over this stuff don't you.

 

[KJV1611]

Disagree. The early chapters of Ezekiel pertain to immediate judgement via Gods servant Nebuchadnezzar. Ezekiel 24 specifies THE EXACT DAY of the start of the 70 year judgement.
Ezekiel 34 and onward is futurist.

The law and the prophets were until John the baptist. The New Testament doesn't give new prophecies, so my question is where do we find the sealing of the 144,000 in the Old Testament?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Notice, folks, that dispensationalists will continue to insist on "literalism" in order to perpetuate their doctrine, even if you point out issues.

And notice folks that UWC has no clue about future events, or Bible prophecy, or anything related to the Second Coming of Christ.

You have been asked many times to abandon your nonsensical ideas, and do some serious Bible study. But it is evident that you have failed to need this advice, and continue to rant against Dispensationalists.

 

[KJV1611]

Speaking of prophecy, can any one point out the prophecies that prophesy about the two destructions of Israel? One being AD70 and the other supposed "Great Tribulation" destruction.

Also if Israel is going to be totally anihalted during the time of Jacob's trouble, with "no stone being left upon another", Is there going to be a fourth rebuilt temple?

 

[Nehemiah6]

The law and the prophets were until John the baptist.

This should not be misunderstand. Since Christ FULFILLED the Law in His life, His death, and His resurrection, He also established and ratified the New Covenant with His blood on the cross. Therefore we have a New Testament in the Bible.

The New Testament doesn't give new prophecies, so my question is where do we find the sealing of the 144,000 in the Old Testament?

The bolded clause is TOTALLY FALSE. One only has to read the book of Revelation to prove that (not to mention other passages). There are no 144,000 in the Old Testament, and that should be obvious to anyone. Those 144,000 redeemed Jews from the twelve tribes of Israel appear just before the future Tribulation, and are raptured to Heaven.

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (Rev 7:3,4)

Some have claimed that they are evangelists, but there is no evidence of that. However, they are faithful disciples of Christ, and worshipers of the living God.

 

[KJV1611]

This should not be misunderstand. Since Christ FULFILLED the Law in His life, His death, and His resurrection, He also established and ratified the New Covenant with His blood on the cross. Therefore we have a New Testament in the Bible.

The bolded clause is TOTALLY FALSE. One only has to read the book of Revelation to prove that (not to mention other passages). There are no 144,000 in the Old Testament, and that should be obvious to anyone. Those 144,000 redeemed Jews from the twelve tribes of Israel appear just before the future Tribulation, and are raptured to Heaven.

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (Rev 7:3,4)

Some have claimed that they are evangelists, but there is no evidence of that. However, they are faithful disciples of Christ, and worshipers of the living God.

Do you know of any verse that refer to a person as being a prophet after John the Baptist? Paul, John, Matthew, were they prophets?

 

[Rondonmon]

Speaking of prophecy, can any one point out the prophecies that prophesy about the two destructions of Israel? One being AD70 and the other supposed "Great Tribulation" destruction.

Also if Israel is going to be totally anihalted during the time of Jacob's trouble, with "no stone being left upon another", Is there going to be a fourth rebuilt temple?

The bible tells us something different.

1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.

So.......I find people who don't work in the gifts doubt the gifts. The better question is, what's WRONG with people who are not working in the gifts of God !! God gave them unto us as tools to overcome Satan, yet many Christians seem to live in doubt, almost cowering before Satan. God wants us to take on Satan and the dark forces, that is why He gave us these tools and yes, one of them is indeed prophecy, Go the Holy Spirit can't lie.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Do you know of any verse that refer to a person as being a prophet after John the Baptist? Paul, John, Matthew, were they prophets?

Yes, where the NT phrase "apostles and prophets" (written in this order) is speaking of NT prophets, just like is shown in the following passage:


8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men [/man/mankind - anthropos/anthropois G444].
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For [...]

--Eph4

 

[cv5]

Speaking of prophecy, can any one point out the prophecies that prophesy about the two destructions of Israel? One being AD70 and the other supposed "Great Tribulation" destruction.

Also if Israel is going to be totally anihalted during the time of Jacob's trouble, with "no stone being left upon another", Is there going to be a fourth rebuilt temple?

You have clearly stated that you no not understand Revelation beyond chapter 10, yet you are calling the shots on ths thread? And you refuse to hear them that DO understand.

Could it be that hating Jews, denying Israels redemption and defying Gods promises to Israel have left you cursed with blindness?

"Hopeless Facepalm"

 

[KJV1611]

The bible tells us something different.

1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.

So.......I find people who don't work in the gifts doubt the gifts. The better question is, what's WRONG with people who are not working in the gifts of God !! God gave them unto us as tools to overcome Satan, yet many Christians seem to live in doubt, almost cowering before Satan. God wants us to take on Satan and the dark forces, that is why He gave us these tools and yes, one of them is indeed prophecy, Go the Holy Spirit can't lie.

To prophesy means to speak the words God has given you to speak and in my opinion those words are bound to what is already written in the bible. These people are not prophets. The prophets in the bible were given words from God pertaining to the future. Those prophets were until John.

 

[cv5]

Yes, where the NT phrase "apostles and prophets" (written in this order) is speaking of NT prophets, just like is shown in the following passage:


8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men [/man/mankind - anthropos/anthropois G444].
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For [...]

--Eph4

Absolutely correct. Agabus was a post-pentecost prophet among others. Prophets were clearly being used in the nascient Church.

 

[cv5]

To prophesy means to speak the words God has given you to speak and in my opinion those words are bound to what is already written in the bible. These people are not prophets. The prophets in the bible were given words from God pertaining to the future. Those prophets were until John.

Absolutely 100% wrong.

 

[cv5]

Yes, where the NT phrase "apostles and prophets" (written in this order) is speaking of NT prophets, just like is shown in the following passage:


8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men [/man/mankind - anthropos/anthropois G444].
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For [...]

--Eph4

The man is plainly ignorant.

 

[KJV1611]

Yes, where the NT phrase "apostles and prophets" (written in this order) is speaking of NT prophets, just like is shown in the following passage:


8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men [/man/mankind - anthropos/anthropois G444].
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For [...]

--Eph4

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

So what does this verse mean? It certainly seems to say that the law and the prophets ended with John, no?

 

[KJV1611]

You have clearly stated that you no not understand Revelation beyond chapter 10, yet you are calling the shots on ths thread? And you refuse to hear them that DO understand.

Could it be that hating Jews, denying Israels redemption and defying Gods promises to Israel have left you cursed with blindness?

"Hopeless Facepalm"

I'm honest, I don't underestand beyond chapter 10, that doesn't mean I don't understand 1-9.

 

[KJV1611]

Absolutely 100% wrong.

Do you think God is still giving new revelation to men today?

 

[cv5]

The law and the prophets were until John the baptist. The New Testament doesn't give new prophecies, so my question is where do we find the sealing of the 144,000 in the Old Testament?

So you believe that the book of Revelation contains NO PROPHECY?????

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.

 

[cv5]

Speaking of prophecy, can any one point out the prophecies that prophesy about the two destructions of Israel? One being AD70 and the other supposed "Great Tribulation" destruction.

Also if Israel is going to be totally anihalted during the time of Jacob's trouble, with "no stone being left upon another", Is there going to be a fourth rebuilt temple?

Good grief man that quote from Matt 24 pertains to the 70AD destruction! Has nothing to do with the time of Jacobs trouble.

 

[KJV1611]

So you believe that the book of Revelation contains NO PROPHECY?????

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.

Revelation doesn't talk about anything that's not already talked about in the Old Testament. The law and the prophets were until John.

 

[KJV1611]

Good grief man that quote from Matt 24 pertains to the 70AD destruction! Has nothing to do with the time of Jacobs trouble.

I know it's talking about 70 ad, that was the time of Jacob's trouble.