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Lightskin

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But anyway, @Lightskin , I'm waving the peace flag.
Let's just shake hands and leave each other in peace.
Is that good with you?
I am a man of God, and I long for there to be peace between you and me.

I will be cordial and respectful; praying God’s Truth enlightens you, bringing you happiness and peace ~ to His glory.

That said, I will not let my guard down by allowing anyone to spread a false gospel that nullifies the fullness of Jesus Christ. The ball is in your court my friend.
 
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No question we have been saved by Grace or God's undeserved kindness. There is no way we can earn salvation on our own merit. [Ephesians 2:8,9]. Saying that works in demonstration of our faith are important and required. [James 2:14,26].
Your last sentence contradicts your 2nd sentence.
 
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There is no way we can earn salvation on our own merit.
Amen!

But now we move on after receiving the free gift and grow and continue in the faith grounded and settled, not being moved away.

Because you will only be presented holy, and unblameable, and reprovable in his sight by continuing in the faith (Colossians 1:22-23).
 
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For the scripture saith, Whosoever [that includes me!] believeth on him shall not be ashamed (Romans 10:11).

There is a "you" in the gospel. He came to offer you eternal life if you chose to believe and continue in it.
Faith isnt inherent ability, it is instead the gift of God, 2 Peter 1:1. We aren’t saved by willing, deciding or choosing, I’ve shown this from Scripture.
 

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Mark 4:
[24]...Take heed what ye hear: with what measure you use, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given. [25] For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him SHALL BE TAKEN EVEN THAT WHICH HE HATH.

And this scripture I cited just happens to follow the parable of the sower in the book of Mark.
this is what's immediately after the parable:


And He said to them, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
(Mark 4:9)
ears to hear -- how does a person get those?

The hearing ear and the seeing eye,
The LORD has made them both.
(Proverbs 20:12)
interesting!

But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable. And He said to them, “to you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God.."
(Mark 4:10-11)
wait, given?
so they '
have' and they do not of themselves, but because they received a gift. interesting!


".. but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, so that
‘seeing they may see and not perceive,
and hearing they may hear and not understand;
lest they should turn,
and their sins be forgiven them.’
(Mark 4:11-12)
even more interesting!
here are those who '
have not' -- and they 'have not' because something else was given to them!
they have a thing pronounced to them in order to prevent them from turning and being forgiven!


how uncanny that this all is spoken of as something done to mankind rather than something mankind chooses for himself!
do you think this has anything to do with the parable He's explaining to them? it's kind of like the sower is the one who chooses how the seed should be sown.. :unsure:
 
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even more interesting!
here are those who '
have not' -- and they 'have not' because something else was given to them!
they have a thing pronounced to them in order to prevent them from turning and being forgiven!


how uncanny that this all is spoken of as something done to mankind rather than something mankind chooses for himself!
do you think this has anything to do with the parable He's explaining to them? it's kind of like the sower is the one who chooses how the seed should be sown..
God would have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4).

Everyone has the ability to come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved.

But those who proceed to take away from scripture, after coming to the knowledge of the truth, will have their part taken away from the book of life and out of the holy city.

God gives the word.

Man chooses his fate based upon how he handles the word.

Psalm 81:
[11] But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me. [12] So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked on their own counsels.

Playing around with the word of God can lead one to be given up to the lie that they love; resulting in them having ears that cannot hear.

So if you find yourself having to make scripture fit your doctrine, while coming up with witty alternate meanings to scripture that do not fit; meditate on this scripture:

Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge (Proverbs 19:27).
 
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The OSAS topic is really interesting and I enjoy reading about different viewpoints on CC. I do believe that we can be turned away from God’s Kingdom even after we chose to serve Him.

The Bible teaches us that when we accept Jesus (our groom) we enter covenant with Him. In a Hebrew wedding when the bride accepted the groom’s proposal, the groom left to prepare the place where they will get married. Usually not longer than 2 years. Jesus left us to prepare a place and will return to get his bride (giving humanity more or less 2000 years). The Bible teaches us about the 10 virgins and it is clear to see that even those that were busy preparing themselves but were not ready will stay behind. Is that the definition of salvation lost? Of course not.

The interesting thing is that the groom, while preparing this chuppah (wedding chamber) left behind a witness. This witness/friend would make sure the bride was without spot or blemish and when the groom returned to take his bride if she was unfaithful the witness would testify against her (Holy Spirit).

The Bible teaches us that we are a royal priesthood, thus if we look at the royal priesthood we can look what God did to the priests in the Old Testament. The sons of Aaron were destroyed because Nadab and Abihu tried to ignite the brazen altar with strange fire. I never knew that God himself ignited that fire. These two priests tried to ignite the altar with manmade fire and were killed for doing it. God does not allow strange fire in His throne room and if we accept strange fire (different religions etc) God will spit us out because we are lukewarm. Not hot nor cold.

This also opened my eyes about Elijah’s boldness. It was nothing strange for the OT priests to expect God to light a fire and Elijah knew our Father’s works.

I hope this blessed you and let’s keep fighting the good fight.
God bless friends
 
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The OSAS topic is really interesting and I enjoy reading about different viewpoints on CC. I do believe that we can be turned away from God’s Kingdom even after we chose to serve Him.

The Bible teaches us that when we accept Jesus (our groom) we enter covenant with Him. In a Hebrew wedding when the bride accepted the groom’s proposal, the groom left to prepare the place where they will get married. Usually not longer than 2 years. Jesus left us to prepare a place and will return to get his bride (giving humanity more or less 2000 years). The Bible teaches us about the 10 virgins and it is clear to see that even those that were busy preparing themselves but were not ready will stay behind. Is that the definition of salvation lost? Of course not.

The interesting thing is that the groom, while preparing this chuppah (wedding chamber) left behind a witness. This witness/friend would make sure the bride was without spot or blemish and when the groom returned to take his bride if she was unfaithful the witness would testify against her (Holy Spirit).

The Bible teaches us that we are a royal priesthood, thus if we look at the royal priesthood we can look what God did to the priests in the Old Testament. The sons of Aaron were destroyed because Nadab and Abihu tried to ignite the brazen altar with strange fire. I never knew that God himself ignited that fire. These two priests tried to ignite the altar with manmade fire and were killed for doing it. God does not allow strange fire in His throne room and if we accept strange fire (different religions etc) God will spit us out because we are lukewarm. Not hot nor cold.

This also opened my eyes about Elijah’s boldness. It was nothing strange for the OT priests to expect God to light a fire and Elijah knew our Father’s works.

I hope this blessed you and let’s keep fighting the good fight.
God bless friends
Being able to rightly divide the word of truth, between those written to the Jews, and those written to the Gentiles, will clarify a lot of your points.

Jews are suppose to be a royal priesthood, but in the body of Christ, only Christ Jesus is our high priest.
 
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Being able to rightly divide the word of truth, between those written to the Jews, and those written to the Gentiles, will clarify a lot of your points.

Jews are suppose to be a royal priesthood, but in the body of Christ, only Christ Jesus is our high priest.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

The Torah was not only written to the Jews my friend :)
 
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1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
That was written to the diaspora (alienated) Tribes of Israel.

(1 Peter 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen)
 
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That was written to the diaspora (alienated) Tribes of Israel.

(1 Peter 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen)
To us then :) I agree.
 
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This is the Greek Gandalf:

G1290 diaspora dee-as-por-ah'

from G1289;

dispersion, i.e. (specially and concretely) the (converted) Israelite resident in Gentile countries.

KJV: (which are) scattered (abroad).
 
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Thank you my friend :) I am part of Israel so it was written for me too.

Maybe we should narrow down what books I can quote on in future because I can’t use the OT and all of the sudden also not all of the NT?

What books can I keep in my Bible?

I have to say, I am intrigued :unsure:
 
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That was written to the diaspora (alienated) Tribes of Israel.

(1 Peter 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen)
My ancestors are from Holland, Germany, France, Ireland, I am sure there must be some English and Jewish blood as well. I hope I do qualify!?

I can't help but to see the humour in this :)

God bless
 
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Dispensationalism causes to err from the words of knowledge.

All scripture is profitable for the man of God to be perfect and thoroughly equipped unto good works.

The enemy must be delighted at how so many have fallen for "Dispensationalism"; he can face a foe that is not perfect or thoroughly equipped and thus easier to tempt into evil works.
 
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1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

The Torah was not only written to the Jews my friend :)
Think again, Peter was writing to the Jews in his letters. read the very first verse in 1 Peter

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

The elect in the NT always refers to Jews.

If that is not enough, you can also refer to Galatians 2:9

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
 
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Thank you my friend :) I am part of Israel so it was written for me too.

Maybe we should narrow down what books I can quote on in future because I can’t use the OT and all of the sudden also not all of the NT?

What books can I keep in my Bible?

I have to say, I am intrigued :unsure:
Which tribe are you from?
 
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Think again, Peter was writing to the Jews in his letters. read the very first verse in 1 Peter

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

The elect in the NT always refers to Jews.

If that is not enough, you can also refer to Galatians 2:9

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
It is sad that you think you are not part of the elect in Christ.