Not By Works

[Lightskin]

I gave you my answer.
I do not help fake believers trying to get a buck out of me.
I help those truly in need (based on 1 Timothy 5:3).

You see, you interjected “fake” believers. Nice deflection. My question was would you give all your money to someone if it meant they could keep their salvation? Your answer is no. More weakness from someone who proclaims to be so strong.

 

[Judges1318]

Jesus lays down His life for His sheep. And who are His sheep? Those of us who put our full trust in Him and not in ourselves.

Now bring that home to what 11th hour is trying to say about Jesus' competency as High Priest.

His competency relates to the protection and preservation of those inside the pen, not those who have foolishly left it.

 

[Lightskin]

Oh so now they are fake believers?

Yeah, you see how he deflected the question by interjecting something that was not part of the question? Self-Salvationists; They’re sneaky little devil’s.

 

[mailmandan]

Stop right there....

I do not care about Roman Catholic and Campbellite doctrine.

Stop unfairly rubbing our noses in their doctrines. You might as well be talking about Martians.

Regardless of whether or not you care, both groups make my point about promoting salvation by works.

 

[Judges1318]

My question was would you give all your money to someone if it meant they could keep their salvation?

You invented someone who doesn't exist.
Real believers don't want money in exchange for continued believing.

But if you are sure they exist, and that you are sure they should get money to continue believing, I accepted Christ in 1986, which in your doctrine means I'm saved, no matter what. Now, I want $1000.00 to continue believing. Will you send it to me?

 

[Lightskin]

Now bring that home to what 11th hour is trying to say about Jesus' competency as High Priest.

Eleven doesn’t need me or anyone else to speak for her. She speaks perfectly being that she uses Scripture in its purest form to speak on her behalf. And it’s beautiful! 😎

 

[miknik5]

@Judges1318 ,

I wrote: ¨I am very sorry that you don't understand¨

I want you to know that this above post wasn´t meant for you...it was meant for the person who reacted to my above post without understanding,..

 

[Judges1318]

Regardless of whether or not you care, both groups make my point about promoting salvation by works.

Good.
Now go to their forums and debate it with them.
You're wasting your time here.
Nobody here at this moment is saying works literally earn salvation.
Stop seeing works salvation where it isn't.

 

[Lightskin]

You invented someone who doesn't exist.
Real believers don't want money in exchange for continued believing.

But if you are sure they exist, and that you are sure they should get money to continue believing, I accepted Christ in 1986, which in your doctrine means I'm saved, no matter what. Now, I want $1000.00 to continue believing. Will you send it to me?

You’re not a true believer in Jesus Christ because you place emphasis on yourself rather than fully upon Him. Therefore you get no money from me.

 

[mailmandan]

Good.
Now go to their forums and debate it with them.
You're wasting your time here.
Nobody here at this moment is saying works literally earn salvation.
Stop seeing works salvation where it isn't.

Very few people who teach salvation by works come straight out and actually say that works “earn” salvation, even though they are indirectly saying it, but are too naive to see it.

 

[Judges1318]

Jesus lays down His life for His sheep. And who are His sheep? Those of us who put our full trust in Him and not in ourselves.

But somehow this competency that you say Jesus has can't keep the sheep in the pen. How is that competent according to your version of Jesus' 'to the uttermost' competency?

Meanwhile, I know what the Bible actually says is competent about Jesus' ministry.

 

[posthuman]

The immediate result of Jesus' entire earthly ministry was only 120 people.

i do not agree with that assessment.

consider for example all the people in the Samaritan town spoken of in John 4, and remember what was revealed to Elijah when he thought he alone was the only one who believed God. remember that the centurions at the cross believed. the magi. the healed demon-possessed man that was told to stay in his town. and these are not all we could point to, who weren't counted among the disciples grouped together.

 

[Lightskin]

But somehow this competency that you say Jesus has can't keep the sheep in the pen. How is that competent according to your version of Jesus' 'to the uttermost' competency?

Meanwhile, I know what the Bible actually says is competent about Jesus' ministry.

Jesus will lose nothing and no one who belongs to God. Too bad you fail to understand that biblically-based truth.

 

[Judges1318]

You’re not a true believer in Jesus Christ because you place emphasis on yourself rather than fully upon Him. Therefore you get no money from me.

Now look who is not going to give because they're not a true believer.
I was not allowed that right.

Looks like you got caught in your own trap, lol.

 

[Lightskin]

Now look who is not going to give because they're not a true believer.
I was not allowed that right.

Looks like you got caught in your own trap, lol.

Nice attempt at twisting everything regarding our conversation. Thanks for playing.

 

[Judges1318]

Very few people who teach salvation by works come straight out and actually say that works “earn” salvation, even though they are indirectly saying it, but are too naive to see it.

No, I just happen to have better insights into their doctrines.

They defend the necessity to have works for the same reason you say believers have to have works.
You're too close minded to see that.

 

[Judges1318]

Nice attempt at twisting everything regarding our conversation. Thanks for playing.

My pleasure.
You ended up answering the question the same way I did.

 

[Lightskin]

They defend the necessity to have works

But it’s not works salvation. 😆

 

[Judges1318]

Jesus will lose nothing and no one who belongs to God. Too bad you fail to understand that biblically-based truth.

Why do believers leave if Jesus' is so competent the way you say He is competent?
Why doesn't your version of Jesus' 'to the uttermost' include not letting the sheep out of the pen in the first place?

 

[Judges1318]

But it’s not works salvation. 😆

Mmd also says works are necessary in salvation, but not for the purpose of earning salvation.
Feel like discussing it with him?
Probably not.
It's that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' thing, right?