Your bloviating. Your answer is no, that is quite obvious. Thanks for playing.
Not By Works
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G2RBeliever
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What does sheep being outside of Jesus' pen say about his competency according to your doctrine?
What does sheep being outside of Jesus' pen say about his competency according to the Bible?
I'm sorry you did not get the result you had hoped for from your wicked trap.
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EleventhHour
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It really is not fun, nor funny!!
You preach an incompetent, untrustworthy and weak Jesus ... not the CHRIST JESUS of scripture.
That sir is on you, and if you think that is a light matter you would be quite mistaken.
God is not mocked.
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EleventhHour
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You cannot deal with scripture in any kind of an honest manner can you?
No worries I am not on any kind of a merry - go - round with you, this is not debate of opposing views.
We are not on any kind of equal footing, The truth is far above where you sit.
I'm pretty sure you do not believe the authors of the Bible were teaching the merit of works and earning salvation, even in part, whether they realized it and admitted it or not when they said this:
"Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." - Acts 2:40
"women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." - 1 Timothy 2:15
"Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers." - 1 Timothy 4:16
“If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” - 1 Peter 4:18
But if someone comes into the forum saying these kinds of things it's suddenly them teaching being saved by works.
Your problem is you do not understand what it means to be saved by works and that not have to mean those works earn salvation, even thought the Bible clearly talks about that.
You are blinded and biased by two things:
One, your ugly grudge against the Catholic Church (you see works salvation under every rock).
Two, your osas bias that doesn't let you see anything outside of your osas box.
You could have just addressed the matter of Jesus' competency in regard to the fact that some of his sheep aren't in the pen where they should be.
Jesus' competency doesn't mean what you think it means. You have to understand it in light of the fact that his competency doesn't have any bearing on whether sheep stay in the pen or not.
I preach a Jesus who let's sheep leave the pen.
And which is no reflection whatsoever on his competency as High Priest of God.
His competency relates to the protection and preservation of those inside the pen, not those who have foolishly left it.
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EleventhHour
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As a farmer's daughter I can tell you know nothing about animals and the role, the skills and duty of the sheep herder.
It’s actually you who is blinded and biased by your grudge against OSAS. I have heard works-salvationists (primarily Roman Catholics and Campbellites) commonly quote 3 out of 4 of those verses that you cited above in an effort to support salvation by works, even though that is not what those verses teach. Your NOSAS bias keeps you from understanding the truth and it also keeps you naive about the problem with works salvation, as you continue to flirt with type 2 works salvation and promote eternal IN-security of the believer. This all just seems to be fun and games for you, as you continue to criticize and judge OSAS believers and stir up contention.
Asking you to be honest is a trap? That’s a very weak aspect of someone who claims to be so strong. Very interesting.I'm sorry you did not get the result you had hoped for from your wicked trap.
Jesus lays down His life for His sheep. And who are His sheep? Those of us who put our full trust in Him and not in ourselves.
I gave you my answer.
I do not help fake believers trying to get a buck out of me.
I help those truly in need (based on 1 Timothy 5:3).
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EleventhHour
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It’s actually you who is blinded and biased by your grudge against OSAS. I have heard works-salvationists (primarily Roman Catholics and Campbellites) commonly quote 3 out of 4 of those verses that you cited above in an effort to support salvation by works, even though that is not what those verses teach. Your NOSAS bias keeps you from understanding the truth and it also keeps you naive about the problem with works salvation, as you continue to flirt with type 2 works salvation and promote eternal IN-security of the believer. This all just seems to be fun and games for you, as you continue to criticize and judge OSAS believers and stir up contention.
"Type Two Works Salvation"........A repulsive doctrine it is!
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EleventhHour
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Stop right there....
I do not care about Roman Catholic and Campbellite doctrine.
Stop unfairly rubbing our noses in their doctrines. You might as well be talking about Martians.
Amen and those who do not believe are not His sheep. (John 10:26)
Anybody who wants money out of me in exchange for their continue belief is a fake believer.