Jesus AND the Bible came into time as a SEED - by G. John Rov
- Thread starter ChosenbyHim
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
well I guess you are replying to me...please use the quote feature or at least @ then the person you are addressing. thanks
when I was saved at 5, I didn't know a thing about councils or the Bible itself. I just learned that Jesus died for me and I should accept Him as my Savior and after consideration, I did, alone in the living room of my parents home. sometimes I wish I knew less then what I do know because the less would be how Christians USE God for some of the evil they do...at least they think they speak for Him...and I would also know less about how active the devil is in this world
that's right. God has never changed but that does not mean that as Christians we act like the Israelites did in the OT and start killing all unbelieving nations. God does not change, but we don't know and we have not experienced, what it was like to be sinless and childlike before God and not constantly questioning. we do not really know how very far it is we have fallen... do people consider that God never said He will restore us to who we were before the fall on this earth in this plain of being? some seem to think they have come into perfection on this earth and they are the most obnoxious among us!
do you think people cannot know God and be led by His Spirit without the other books?
I honestly just do not agree with how stressed out over it all you seem to be...
when I was saved at 5, I didn't know a thing about councils or the Bible itself. I just learned that Jesus died for me and I should accept Him as my Savior and after consideration, I did, alone in the living room of my parents home. sometimes I wish I knew less then what I do know because the less would be how Christians USE God for some of the evil they do...at least they think they speak for Him...and I would also know less about how active the devil is in this world
that's right. God has never changed but that does not mean that as Christians we act like the Israelites did in the OT and start killing all unbelieving nations. God does not change, but we don't know and we have not experienced, what it was like to be sinless and childlike before God and not constantly questioning. we do not really know how very far it is we have fallen... do people consider that God never said He will restore us to who we were before the fall on this earth in this plain of being? some seem to think they have come into perfection on this earth and they are the most obnoxious among us!
do you think people cannot know God and be led by His Spirit without the other books?
I honestly just do not agree with how stressed out over it all you seem to be...
I am not stressed. I am just tired of being told how holy these men were when the evidence does not back it. They claimed to be led by the Holy Spirit but cannot decide if Jesus is God, or what He quotes is inspired. In my opinion, God NEVER led them to do anything as such. These men did this for "control." They chose the Bible in how they wanted it, not by how God had it!
7
well you sound stressed LOL!
I am glad you said in your opinion because I do not believe, call this my opinion if you want, that God was knitting while people did whatever
God no longer speaks from the mountain...but yet He is the same, right?...try to be more logical
either God is bringing to pass His will or we have the wrong idea about Him
we might just as well say that the devil does whatever, whenever he wants....yet God puts the breaks on him over and over
I am glad you said in your opinion because I do not believe, call this my opinion if you want, that God was knitting while people did whatever
God no longer speaks from the mountain...but yet He is the same, right?...try to be more logical
either God is bringing to pass His will or we have the wrong idea about Him
we might just as well say that the devil does whatever, whenever he wants....yet God puts the breaks on him over and over
can I suggest that Jesus may have not quoted Enoch but made the statement in Matt 22:29-30
Nowhere in the 66 Books of the Bible does it say angels neither marry nor are given in marriage. What did Jesus mean when he said: “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures” in reference to the angels not marrying?
Here is 1 Enoch 15:5-7:
5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.
The greek and what Jesus said must be looked in the context of all words he used:
Nowhere in the 66 Books of the Bible does it say angels neither marry nor are given in marriage. What did Jesus mean when he said: “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures” in reference to the angels not marrying?
Here is 1 Enoch 15:5-7:
5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.
The greek and what Jesus said must be looked in the context of all words he used:
- Scriptures
- it is written
- Word of God
- Direct Quote of a Prophet
7
LOL! you are predictable if nothing else
I haven't danced around a thing but I have noticed that you will create an ad hominim post when you either do not want or possibly cannot, deal with a post that tries to reason with you
I never said God required a council. I did not agree or disagree. but God does seem to require people to carry out His will on earth. maybe He didn't like what happened to the original commandments He wrote with His own 'finger'
well if you do not ever consider another perspective other than your own, you are going to have difficulty speaking with just about anyone I would think
I have answered you and given you more to think about but you will not have it
maybe you have some difficulty with theory or abstract thought or holding two ideas at one time and weighing the differences..or even a less than ideal attention span...but the ad hominim comments do nothing for you
I haven't danced around a thing but I have noticed that you will create an ad hominim post when you either do not want or possibly cannot, deal with a post that tries to reason with you
I never said God required a council. I did not agree or disagree. but God does seem to require people to carry out His will on earth. maybe He didn't like what happened to the original commandments He wrote with His own 'finger'
well if you do not ever consider another perspective other than your own, you are going to have difficulty speaking with just about anyone I would think
I have answered you and given you more to think about but you will not have it
maybe you have some difficulty with theory or abstract thought or holding two ideas at one time and weighing the differences..or even a less than ideal attention span...but the ad hominim comments do nothing for you
Is it Jesus refined them or Raised the Standard? The Law of God was absolute unless God raised the Law by a greater Law which Jesus did.
That is why Jesus said You have heard is sais or it is written: " But I say unto you". Was Jesus arrogant? Or did he have and has the authority to do so? I would say yes.
That is why Jesus said You have heard is sais or it is written: " But I say unto you". Was Jesus arrogant? Or did he have and has the authority to do so? I would say yes.
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
^
Which portion is about "angels" marrying?
7
that is just stupid
really
like I said...personal and insulting...that is what you do and have been doing since you arrived
it says more about you and how you view others, than what you might know
you want to go on and on and on about something God has actually given people a choice about but you do not see that and so you have this little hobby horse and think insult is equal to persuasion
childish
one more thing though?
it is somewhat amusing that you have deviated so far from the actual op and think you are holding court here
is it so hard to understand people are not going to hold your view in the esteem that you have for it?
really
like I said...personal and insulting...that is what you do and have been doing since you arrived
it says more about you and how you view others, than what you might know
you want to go on and on and on about something God has actually given people a choice about but you do not see that and so you have this little hobby horse and think insult is equal to persuasion
childish
one more thing though?
it is somewhat amusing that you have deviated so far from the actual op and think you are holding court here
is it so hard to understand people are not going to hold your view in the esteem that you have for it?
30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of
1 Enoch 15:5-7:
5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.
1 Enoch 15:5-7:
5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.