Is Genesis History?

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KhedetOrthos

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This is an outstanding documentary on whether Genesis is actually an accurate record of the history of the earth. I have always believed that it was, after all, if you remove the actual fall from the first book of the Old Testament you pretty much remove the need for an actual savior from the first book of the New Testament.

Still, if you are a Christian it will strengthen your faith in the middle of a world that doesn't want to believe it. If you aren't, it will force you to examine the scientific presuppositions you use to analyze what you see around you.

It's fairly long but absolutely worth it.
 
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Nearly two hours, how about a summary of the strong points?
 
KhedetOrthos

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It's pretty in depth, there is no easy way to summarize it like that.
 
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KhedetOrthos said:


This is an outstanding documentary on whether Genesis is actually an accurate record of the history of the earth. I have always believed that it was, after all, if you remove the actual fall from the first book of the Old Testament you pretty much remove the need for an actual savior from the first book of the New Testament.

Still, if you are a Christian it will strengthen your faith in the middle of a world that doesn't want to believe it. If you aren't, it will force you to examine the scientific presuppositions you use to analyze what you see around you.

It's fairly long but absolutely worth it.
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I haven't watched this particular video, but I've been listening to others from the same source, and I find them to be good, solid, biblically consistent material.

Your thread title question is clickbait though. You might have chosen more carefully. :)
 
Lanolin

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how long is the vid.
I dont normally click on youtube links ppl post.

But I have no doubts that Genesis is history...HIS story.
 
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Lanolin said:
But I have no doubts that Genesis is history...HIS story.
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I don't watch videos, but if Jesus said that Genesis is history, that should suffice.

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female... (Mt 19:4)

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Gen 1:27)
 
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

It certainly is history, it gives us a starting point, it gives us a reason for the landscape today, and the origins of society development.
The Bible fills in the gaps that go unanswered if carefully followed.
 
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Lanolin said:
how long is the vid.
I dont normally click on youtube links ppl post.

But I have no doubts that Genesis is history...HIS story.
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It's an hour and 45min. long.
 
Blain

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Yeah sorry I don't usually watch youtube videos that are long like that and with my wifi being hectic lately I probably couldn't anyways. But is it part of history? honestly that depends. Historians are even divided on the subject scientists that aren't historians but decide on scientific evidence for the most part say it is scientifically impossible although there is a small sect that says there is some evidence to suggest it. Granted the entire book of genesis is not normally what is in question just parts of it.

There was one scientist who said that it is impossible for adam and eve to have been the first two humans because in order for the human race to expand incest would have had to occur with their children and I will leave that subject at that because it is not a pleasant debate but that was why this scientist said it was impossible for it to be an accurate account of history.

Now as for us Christians we believe it to be history but the problem with logic vs faith is that you cannot have one without the other. If you have faith that is great but without logic you lack understanding, if you have logic but not faith then if it cannot be explained then it doesn't exist but balance is key. in fact I cannot remember who but when I was on here a few years ago I believe there was a thread on the topic of if the events of genesis could be proven scientifically and one user actually didi a great job of using science geometry and the study of geology to prove a lot even the reason of why if insect was in fact how the human race began to expand science even proves why they didn't have weird looking babies.
 
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Blain said:
Yeah sorry I don't usually watch youtube videos that are long like that and with my wifi being hectic lately I probably couldn't anyways. But is it part of history? honestly that depends. Historians are even divided on the subject scientists that aren't historians but decide on scientific evidence for the most part say it is scientifically impossible although there is a small sect that says there is some evidence to suggest it. Granted the entire book of genesis is not normally what is in question just parts of it.

There was one scientist who said that it is impossible for adam and eve to have been the first two humans because in order for the human race to expand incest would have had to occur with their children and I will leave that subject at that because it is not a pleasant debate but that was why this scientist said it was impossible for it to be an accurate account of history.

Now as for us Christians we believe it to be history but the problem with logic vs faith is that you cannot have one without the other. If you have faith that is great but without logic you lack understanding, if you have logic but not faith then if it cannot be explained then it doesn't exist but balance is key. in fact I cannot remember who but when I was on here a few years ago I believe there was a thread on the topic of if the events of genesis could be proven scientifically and one user actually didi a great job of using science geometry and the study of geology to prove a lot even the reason of why if insect was in fact how the human race began to expand science even proves why they didn't have weird looking babies.
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Nothing about Genesis that contradicts logic. If one truly believes that God can create by speaking the worlds into existence then everything else falls into place...
Hebrews 11:3 (KJV) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Genesis 1:3 (KJV) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
 
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Nothing about Genesis that contradicts logic. If one truly believes that God can create by speaking the worlds into existence then everything else falls into place...
Hebrews 11:3 (KJV) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Genesis 1:3 (KJV) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
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Yes that is true, I suppose I should have clarified that it is mans logic that (appears) to contradict it. Just as there is a difference between mans understanding of science and God's understanding of science so to is it with mans understanding of logic and God's
 
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crossnote said:
Nearly two hours, how about a summary of the strong points?
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They support catastrophe theory in comparison to gradualism. They teach gradualism in the universities so that leaves science at a disadvantage when they have to deal with catastrophic events. The Oroville Dam crisis is an example of a situation that shows us the need to understand catastrophic theory.
 
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crossnote said:
If one truly believes that God can create by speaking the worlds into existence then everything else falls into place...
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When we study the meaning of the Hebrew letters we see that God did speak the cosmos into existence. He spoke the natural laws into existence.
 
Blain

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JohnR7 said:
They support catastrophe theory in comparison to gradualism. They teach gradualism in the universities so that leaves science at a disadvantage when they have to deal with catastrophic events. The Oroville Dam crisis is an example of a situation that shows us the need to understand catastrophic theory.
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Huh.. I have never heard of that theory what exactly is it?
 
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Huh.. I have never heard of that theory what exactly is it?
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Gradualism is slow gradual change over long periods of time. Catastrophe theory is rapid change over short periods of time. You can measure this is PSI pounds per square inch, or in volume Feet Per Second. In my aviator we can see it is very easy to balance river rocks because of the force that created them.
 
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It makes perfect sense. The first Scientist explains all we need to know. Earth, mountains, caverns, layers, etc reveal not a gradual displacement of time aka: little water slow erosion, but rather much water at once = immediate erosion. Gives proof of a "Young Earth" rather than one being 4.5 billion years old.

Excellent video!
 
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JohnR7 said:
They support catastrophe theory in comparison to gradualism. They teach gradualism in the universities so that leaves science at a disadvantage when they have to deal with catastrophic events. The Oroville Dam crisis is an example of a situation that shows us the need to understand catastrophic theory.
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That a interesting statement, so does a catastrophic event and what it can do in the potential to create a Canyon etc. can that be viewed also of the Grand Canyon. I notice the opening statement of the video is sort of alluding to he mentioned a tiny river in what some think as the Colorado river forming the Grand Canyon that’s is not the only assumption, there is a few more it was much faster from glacier flows. what he is presenting is a assumption also as far as a catastrophic event. the video didn’t even speak about how top soil is formed everyday by trees that die and decay and all sorts of things that form dirt it takes awhile to build up but to say new top soil isn’t being formed I think would be not a good analogy of earths dirt and how it still is being formed today but there is no mentioning of current dirt formation.
 
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crossnote said:
Genesis 1:3 (KJV) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
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Quantum physics says the same thing. This is what they call the event horizon. This is why we have Sunrise and Sunset. The universe can not only expand but the universe can shrink also. God showed me that in a dream once.

"In the center of a black hole is a gravitational singularity, a one-dimensional point which contains a huge mass in an infinitely small space, where density and gravity become infinite and space-time curves infinitely, and where the laws of physics as we know them cease to operate." (wiki)
 
Blain

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JohnR7 said:
Gradualism is slow gradual change over long periods of time. Catastrophe theory is rapid change over short periods of time. You can measure this is PSI pounds per square inch, or in volume Feet Per Second. In my aviator we can see it is very easy to balance river rocks because of the force that created them.
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see that is interesting I don't think I have the brains to study it but it sounds fascinating
 
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