You only keep/maintain that which can break down, like your car...making the choice not to drive it off a 2,000 foot cliff is just exercising good sense.
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there's nothing about having a firm anchor of the soul, a faith in the faithfulness of God and the sufficiency of His work, that despises an obligation to do what is right.
you accuse, but it's just you accusing until you yourself provide proof that someone is actually preaching 'sin all the more' since grace abounds. we have heard this spurious accusation over and over for over six thousand pages now.
Salvation is a junky car i have to keep pouring money into?
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Well, then, somebody forgot to inform the Jews that they didn't need to tie ropes to the feet of the High Priest before he entered the Most Holy Place because any unconfessed sin on his part was no big deal, right - even though those found clinging to sin in the end shall be "destroyed by the brightness of His coming"?
But, OSAS will stop at nothing to excuse sin in the sight of God, even at the level of the High Priest.
what in the world do you think that has to do with the fact that you tried to re-write Zechariah 3:6-7 ??
and you're still talking about the body of flesh -- do you not believe you have a soul?
do you think the inevitable returning of your carnal body to dust is damnation?
you think your flesh is all you are?
what in the world are you talking about?
where did this accusation come from?
because i called you out on your bogus eisegesis of the text of Zechariah, you think i am trying to excuse sin??
you're not making any sense to me.
I said "so" because the fact that we need to confess future sins in order to obtain future forgiveness is not to blame for the RCC using it to justify the sale of future forgiveness even before the sin is indulged.
Christ's blood-purchased forgiveness for anyone that asks. OSAS says, no need to ask, we already have it, for "ye receive not because ye ask not". A hungry man with a bazillion dollars in the bank can convince himself his empty fridge is full, but he'll starve to death if he doesn't make a withdrawal and get some food, right or wrong?
Sorry, but that makes no sense.
Why would the same God Who says our lives are but a "vapor", "be faithful unto death and you shall receive a crown of life", "we are killed all the day long", "sheep to the slaughter", and "if this earthly tabernacle were dissolved, we've got a tabernacle in heaven" - ESPECIALLY during the mythological "7 last years of tribulation" just before we all get new ones - be concerned about our "physical" bodies?
He's talking about enduring to the end the temptation to allow abounding iniquity to cause the agape of the saints to turn cold and dead.
I'm not saying that exactly Post. What I'm saying is the quote was out of context to Paul's admonition. As Paul said if the resurrection is false then so was their hope.
Come to think of it, I've heard of it, but never read it. But, the Bible does say that "wrath has come upon them to the uttermost" for murdering Jesus and to this day having never repented and accepted Him, and Luther knew that. I'll check it out thanks.
He doesn't live in the heart of a former saint who kicked Him out.
Again, is the consequence of a branch separated from the vine limited to just "disfellowship" and "disunion", or does it die?
Absolutely, the Living Soul exists only as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life. When God takes back the Breath of Life, whether from a saint, sinner, or animal in nature (Solomon says the beasts have the SAME Breath) - the bodies return to the Earth and the Living Soul becomes a Dead Soul...ceases to be until the one or the other resurrection.
That may be the case for you, but human nature is such that if you give someone a license to do wrong, wrong is what they'll do.
Someone said anything less than OSAS is "maintaining/keeping up" salvation, so I said you maintain a car when it breaks, but choosing not to drive off a cliff - like a saint choosing to "endure to the end" instead of choosing to be lost - is just good sense.Salvation is a junky car i have to keep pouring money into?
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It has to do with overthrowing criticism that I re wrote anything. A blind man can see that, based on many examples of Scripture, that God sets before the saints the choice to either "go and sin no more" or perish.
Do you not know the difference between what is Explicit and what is Implicit? Peter plainly says the fate of a Sanitized Saint is WORSE for him if he again becomes entangled with rebellion. What would've happened to Joshua if he again returned to rebelling against God based on what Peter says? That's right - "new and improved fire brand...now with patented Willie Pete technology!"
are you a Jehovah's Witness?
you know Moses appeared at the transfiguration, and he was dead-in-the-flesh, and hadn't been resurrected, right?
you know Jesus says He's the God of Abraham & Isaac & Jacob - and He's the God of the living, not the dead, right?
these men's bodies are dust in tombs, not resurrected, but God calls them alive - so you realize you do not think about these things the way God does, don't you?
who in the world told you that garbage?