Not By Works
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@blue_ladybug you must be loving the pic of that cat!
You could add it to your siggy too.. I am sure we can think of a good line to go with it!
You could add it to your siggy too.. I am sure we can think of a good line to go with it!
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Once again using half quotes. "Not having a righteousness of my own according to the law" He was not saying that somehow God would be fooled into thinking that Christ's righteousness was his. We are all law breakers, this is true. But the point of grace is that righteousness is not reckoned purely by performance to the law. That does not mean that obedience to God is not our duty, merely that righteousness leaves room for things like mercy and restoration.
um yeah because we're not 'fooling God' or 'tricking Him' into being saved by Him.
this is His plan and His Way that we may be saved. the imputation of His righteousness by grace through faith.
this is the blood on the mercy seat, and the snake that eats the snakes of the sorcerers; the looking to the brazen serpent on a cross
it's not by our works; not even a little bit.
this is His plan and His Way that we may be saved. the imputation of His righteousness by grace through faith.
this is the blood on the mercy seat, and the snake that eats the snakes of the sorcerers; the looking to the brazen serpent on a cross
it's not by our works; not even a little bit.
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I agree with that assessment, but obedience to God is not faith in the flesh. The point is that you(either purposely or simply because you have seen it done so often) are prooftexting with that verse and not quoting the whole thing which doesn't deny righteousness, merely reaffirms that it doesn't come via the law. The black-or-white idea of absolute righteousness is a very fleshly way of looking at it, God is able to discern who deserves mercy and who deserves wrath and those who fall into either camp will receive their own ends. Any judge who gave a one size fits all punishment would be an unjust judge, yet you accept that God is capable of such injustice?
further, I think it needs to be said that while most of Paul´s letters were to churches that were erring, the church at Philippi seemed to be doing okay...the letter seems to be a letter of encouragement to a church that had been walking in the way, but were facing troubles...Paul´s letter wasn´t one of correction but encouragement.
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Can you tell me how we can approach the throne apart from the right vestments?
Was it ever allowed for one to enter in behind the curtain?
No...
One needed the right garment and needed incense in their breast pocket.
My mention of the incense is because , to those who are saved, CHRIST is a sweet savor...it is the aroma before GOD of HIS SON, sir...and the ONLY SACRIFICE acceptable...
Apart from HIS SACRIFICE, one can not enter in...no matter how good their works...
Was it ever allowed for one to enter in behind the curtain?
No...
One needed the right garment and needed incense in their breast pocket.
My mention of the incense is because , to those who are saved, CHRIST is a sweet savor...it is the aroma before GOD of HIS SON, sir...and the ONLY SACRIFICE acceptable...
Apart from HIS SACRIFICE, one can not enter in...no matter how good their works...
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Well Mr Bdrd...I am about to go out for a much needed long run after the antics on this thread today... and just so you know I am not face palming you it is not personal I am face palming myself ...as in I should have known better!!!
But I highly recommend you read the Letter to the Romans in the meantime
....but when I get back I will show you that you are incorrect.
But I highly recommend you read the Letter to the Romans in the meantime
....but when I get back I will show you that you are incorrect.
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You're conflating several things. No one approaches the throne without being cleansed by the atoning sacrifice, but Christ did not vicarious take God's wrath on our account. There is no fiction in the righteousness of faith, and it is the faith that is accounted as righteousness not Christ's vicarious obedience. God is a just judge whose justice is linked with mercy and kindness, not retribution.
Well Mr Bdrd...I am about to go out for a much needed long run after the antics on this thread today... and just so you know I am not face palming you it is not personal I am face palming myself ...as in I should have known better!!!
But I highly recommend you read the Letter to the Romans in the meantime
....but when I get back I will show you that you are incorrect.
But I highly recommend you read the Letter to the Romans in the meantime
....but when I get back I will show you that you are incorrect.
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Reread what?
no one fulfilled the law of moses, so all have been cursed by the law
the law required sacrifice of an innocent for atonement of sin
jesus fulfilled not only the moral code, which no one else did, but the sacrificial requirement
like Paul said in galations.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
he fulfilled the law as the lamb of God for all people
no one fulfilled the law of moses, so all have been cursed by the law
the law required sacrifice of an innocent for atonement of sin
jesus fulfilled not only the moral code, which no one else did, but the sacrificial requirement
like Paul said in galations.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
he fulfilled the law as the lamb of God for all people