Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?

[Dan_473]

"Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?"


I think how a person answers this question will depend on how they answer these kinds of questions:


Should a woman be encouraged to return to her abusive husband?


Should a child be encouraged to submit to their abusive parent? Can they call the police, even if the parent has told them not to?

 

[garee]

We have an example of bad interpretation and application of the scriptures. Yes there is no gender distinction when it comes to salvation. Yes there is no ethnic favor between Jew and Gentile in the matter of salvation. It is wholly incorrect to apply that to God using women and men interchangeably. Men are not more suited for childbirth than women are suited to pastor a church.

God has from the beginning of man established the man to be the head of the family. The man acts as the family priest in matters of the Spiritual. In fact God holds man responsible to teach his family the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I would think right from the beginning he established mankind as a picture of his bride the church . Under the government of Peace two working as one, A dual identity .And not so much the trinity idea. Two represent the church Two the law and prophets(sola scriptura) represent the witness of one God not seen .

let us make Mankind as one creation let them have dominion. The pastoral position is of two. Husbands and wives needed to make it one.

As a Kingdom of priest we preach he teaches and brings life .

Call no man one earth father and in the same way call no man on earth Good Master. Even the Son of man refused to stand in the holy place of the father. An abomination of desolation.

Jesus said one Good Master, God not seen. One creation, one purpose, two immutable attributes. Father and Son sharing a mutual burden as one work of faith .

God is not a man as us.

And God said, Let us (two) make man (mankind) in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Genesis 1: 26

 

[JeremiahsCup]

You need to give God more credit than making him in the image and likeness of your misogyny. If you read your bible, as I've done since I joined here and it has been many years since I did do that, you will find out you will be held accountable for everything you say on God's behalf.
Eve was never made in the image of man. That isn't even in the bible. You have an issue with origin. Adam was made from the dust of the ground. The dust of the ground was created by and from GOD!
Anything on Adam, be it his rib or his face, is from GOD! Man and woman were made in the image and likeness of God because all that they were created from and of is of and from God.

Stop gender baiting! You look ridiculous.

1 Corinthians 11:7-9

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

 

[Whispered]

We have an example of bad interpretation and application of the scriptures. Yes there is no gender distinction when it comes to salvation. Yes there is no ethnic favor between Jew and Gentile in the matter of salvation. It is wholly incorrect to apply that to God using women and men interchangeably. Men are not more suited for childbirth than women are suited to pastor a church.

God has from the beginning of man established the man to be the head of the family. The man acts as the family priest in matters of the Spiritual. In fact God holds man responsible to teach his family the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Believe what you want. Man is the reason Sin entered this world. Man is responsible for the downfall of all humanity for all time. One man.
One man, made it necessary to sacrifice to cover sins that came to exist because of that one man. And you imagine God, who knows more than any of us including you, would never call a woman to lead people to be saved from the sin one man brought into the world.

That there is one woman ministering the word proves you wrong.

 

[notuptome]

Believe what you want. Man is the reason Sin entered this world. Man is responsible for the downfall of all humanity for all time. One man.
One man, made it necessary to sacrifice to cover sins that came to exist because of that one man. And you imagine God, who knows more than any of us including you, would never call a woman to lead people to be saved from the sin one man brought into the world.

That there is one woman ministering the word proves you wrong.

If you say so then it must be so. Sound doctrine you choose to reject. I can only tell you I cannot make you receive it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Whispered]

If you say so then it must be so. Sound doctrine you choose to reject. I can only tell you I cannot make you receive it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I would say you should speak that advice to yourself.
Sound doctrine does not call God a sexist as you intend.
Nor misunderstand intentionally what the Saint Apostle Paul said and exampled when he had women teaching as part of his church the Gospel of Christ. That would be preaching. The Saint Apostle Paul even praised those women who were in service to the Gospel teaching.

That there is one anointed woman Pastor of the Gospel of Jesus Christ shall always prove you wrong. You and all who intend to tell the Saint Apostle Paul he was wrong thinking we are all one in Christ Jesus. He was wrong to say there is no male nor female, which would mean the sex of a person does not preclude them being in service as God wills, because we are all one , all one, in Christ. The body of the church, the Ekklesia.
Your doctrine calls God a bigot and Paul a liar. That's not sound doctrine. That Roger is blasphemy and heresy.

 

[Whispered]

1 Corinthians 11:7-9

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Perhaps research the epistle the Saint Apostle Paul was writing to the church in the Greek city of Corinth. The people there were challenging his authority. His letters are his attempt to bring order. God did not say those things. Paul did.

 

[Blade]

Perhaps research the epistle the Saint Apostle Paul was writing to the church in the Greek city of Corinth. The people there were challenging his authority. His letters are his attempt to bring order. God did not say those things. Paul did.

First yes women can preach teach all they want. Its something I don't have to prove loll...

As for Whispered post...we could say this about any book, letter in the bible. This is not a good road to do down. It was not Paul but the sweet Holy Spirit. God always wants us to walk by faith.... sorry old song playing I LOVE This song..

Whiteheart "He's Returning" YES YES YES AMEN!

 

[Whispered]

Another very needed observation here is this. Why would anyone imagine for themselves that in a world of sin, populated by billions upon billions of sinners, that need to hear the precious Good News of Christ, that in all that need God would never let a woman serve His will to help bring those billions in need His Word.
When women outnumber the male population in the world, God wouldn't call women to vanquish the Devil's opportunity to take souls into damnation. Because only a man is allowed to lead people to be saved from the condition a man, one man, and his choice to disobey God, made Salvation from Sin necessary. Because that one disobedient weak man is whom God blamed for Sin entering this world.

Therefore, God would never ever call any but men to lead people from their sins and to the Gospel? Rubbish! The man is the head of the household, but the man was a poor example of leadership in paradise when he led Eve and the entire world population to come into damnation through his actions and the fall.

So God, in his vested eternal sovereign wisdom would only entrust men to lead people to the blessing that would lead them out of the Sin Adam brought into the world? No.
God calls whom He will into His service. Men who have issues with women and twist God's words to make God into their image and likeness will answer for that to God. Ironically, the men that do this, because tragically there are women who are just as lost, are bringing Sin into the Redemption equation by insisting the sex of a person precludes them from leading anyone to the truth of God in Christ. While the sex of a different person is all that God would approve to do that.

Ghastly lies.
Repent! Before God makes you to answer the why of that. When thinking your opinion of women is greater than God's calling of women to His service.
And that is just sincere righteous advice. I expect no man that has issues with woman to be persuaded otherwise. When they challenge the Holy Spirit God, they'll not be led to change their beliefs by a mere woman. It is my sex that makes them opposed to listening in the first place. I'm suppose to stay silent in the church,, which is the body of faithful not a denominational constructed building, and not think to have authority over a man and accept that as what God, not actually the Saint Apostle Paul, said.
Take verses out of context, call God a bigot, Paul a liar, and put a woman in her place.

Come the judgment bigoted women and men .... Yikes. Woe unto those who create a god in their image and likeness and then charge that god holy, sovereign, and approving their beliefs pasted onto him.
Bigotry and sexism is a sin. Thinking God would never call a woman to serve him, when Jesus called women to service and Paul accepted them in preaching service in the name of the Good News, is a sin one imputes onto God and Paul.

 

[Bbrdrd]

There are a couple of questions that are often neglected when considering this issue. The first, and perhaps most important, is whether the command in question is universal or is there a contextual issue being dealt with? The second, and this may surprise some people, is whether Paul is saying something rhetorically. Much of Paul's letters contain quotes from his critics or those he seeks to correct the understanding of and the Greek lacks a clear way of marking off quotes so a lot of the time we're left looking at context clues to make that determination. Both of these issues will shade the conclusion on the verses involving whether women are allowed to preach/teach.

 

[Whispered]

First yes women can preach teach all they want. Its something I don't have to prove loll...

As for Whispered post...we could say this about any book, letter in the bible. This is not a good road to do down. It was not Paul but the sweet Holy Spirit. God always wants us to walk by faith.... sorry old song playing I LOVE This song..

Whiteheart "He's Returning" YES YES YES AMEN!

No, you could not say that about any book, letter in the Bible. The Saint Apostle Paul's epistles are categorized. Not everything Paul wrote was God's inspiration. It was Paul's opinion in managing his churches. Just as the letters to Corinth were that.
We know this because Paul was a Pharisee. He did not state he was a reformed Pharisee, when being held to answer for his teachings before Apostles and others, he stated before the body of Pharisee's there that he was a Pharisee. "I am a Pharisee!" He did not say, I was a Pharisee, I was formerly one of you.
Therefore, it stands to reason that when Paul would manage the churches he founded he would fall back on the Pharisaical blueprint concerning many things, including segregation of women!

One can accept that or they can accept in insisting God segregates the church, that Paul lied when he said we are all one. He sinned when he had women preachers in his churches and praised them in their delivering along with him the Gospel. That they were with him doesn't mean they weren't preachers. It means they were, as he said, serving side by side to bring the ministry of the Gospel to people.

Jesus walked with women Apostles in His company. That alone should settle it. Christian, Christ like, women Apostles.
That's it.

 

[SoulWeaver]

No, you could not say that about any book, letter in the Bible. The Saint Apostle Paul's epistles are categorized. Not everything Paul wrote was God's inspiration. It was Paul's opinion in managing his churches. Just as the letters to Corinth were that.
We know this because Paul was a Pharisee. He did not state he was a reformed Pharisee, when being held to answer for his teachings before Apostles and others, he stated before the body of Pharisee's there that he was a Pharisee. "I am a Pharisee!" He did not say, I was a Pharisee, I was formerly one of you.
Therefore, it stands to reason that when Paul would manage the churches he founded he would fall back on the Pharisaical blueprint concerning many things, including segregation of women!

One can accept that or they can accept in insisting God segregates the church, that Paul lied when he said we are all one. He sinned when he had women preachers in his churches and praised them in their delivering along with him the Gospel. That they were with him doesn't mean they weren't preachers. It means they were, as he said, serving side by side to bring the ministry of the Gospel to people.

Jesus walked with women Apostles in His company. That alone should settle it. Christian, Christ like, women Apostles.
That's it.

Let them be stuck in that little world.
Not that am personally invested into this, I never felt called to preach so I really don't care.
But the idea that woman cannot be used is just ludiculous. Especially that even if everything they say stands, God made a precedent with Jael that when men do not stand a woman will be raised.

 

[Whispered]

Let them be stuck in that little world.
Not that am personally invested into this, I never felt called to preach so I really don't care.
But the idea that woman cannot be used is just ludiculous. Especially that even if everything they say stands, God made a precedent with Jael that when men do not stand a woman will be raised.

Yes, and a very little world it is indeed.
‘Most blessed of women be Jael,
The wife of Heber the Kenite,
Of tent-dwelling women most blessed.’
Source: Women In The Bible
And recal Deborah, a judge in the Bible.That's having authority over men.
Women in the Bible Old and New Testament

 

[chanchuinchoy]

I thought this would only happen in third world countries?

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Perhaps research the epistle the Saint Apostle Paul was writing to the church in the Greek city of Corinth. The people there were challenging his authority. His letters are his attempt to bring order. God did not say those things. Paul did.

I have read the letters to the Corinthians many times. This is not just Apostle Paul's opinion despite how much people want to challenge the apostle's authority on this matter. You might notice a pattern in Paul's writings about how men and women ought to behave and what their roles are. The pattern is that Paul always builds precept upon precept and line upon line referencing early Genesis from when God created man and woman, and the fall in the garden, to illustrate the correct view on men and women in the kingdom of God. Paul's writings on this matter are therefore not his opinion, but are in fact the truth being well supported by the earlier canonical scriptures.

 

[Brandnewday]

1 Corinthians 11:7-9

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Ah, glory of the man but not equal to the man? No, that isn't in the bible.
Do your wives stay a few steps behind you walking in public?
Do your wives work? Or are they incubators living barefoot and pregnant? Do you beat your wives to keep them in line with the word?
Do they vote? No, that gives them authority over many men.
See how ridiculous it all is? And hugely hypocritical for people who claim the Christian isn't to abide by anything in the old testament, they're not Jewish after all! But yet, all those rules that enslave women to the man? Are for the Jews.

 

[Brandnewday]

Indeed... Genesis 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Unless he's working from a a different translation, he's probably misreading 1 Corinthians 11:7...

For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man.

But that says "woman is the glory of man", not "made in the image of man".

True! She's made in the image and likeness of God.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Ah, glory of the man but not equal to the man? No, that isn't in the bible.
Do your wives stay a few steps behind you walking in public?
Do your wives work? Or are they incubators living barefoot and pregnant? Do you beat your wives to keep them in line with the word?
Do they vote? No, that gives them authority over many men.
See how ridiculous it all is? And hugely hypocritical for people who claim the Christian isn't to abide by anything in the old testament, they're not Jewish after all! But yet, all those rules that enslave women to the man? Are for the Jews.

Well that passage, which is in the New Testament I would add, just reconfirms the illustration by example from Genesis and says point blank that man was made in the image of God, woman was made in the image of man. Man is the head of the woman like God is the head of the man. Woman was made for man, not the man for the woman. Woman is to be subject to her husband. This is how God made them and this order is good.

When this order is lost you have high wickedness as we can see and confirm today, despite the current wickedest generations in history trying to obliterate the power and knowledge and goodness of God with their wicked doctrines of rebellion like feminism, much like the Pharisees and Sadducees of old did the same. Yet they cannot change the truth of the Bible. No matter how many lies Satan breathes out, no matter how many women the old dragon tricks, as he did originally, no matter how many of the foolish and evil men that seducing eachother are corrupted by the wickedest women laden with sins, because God will always prevail and really just in the end God's judgement will sit.

 

[Brandnewday]

Well that passage, which is in the New Testament I would add, just reconfirms the illustration by example from Genesis and says point blank that man was made in the image of God, woman was made in the image of man. Man is the head of the woman like God is the head of the man. Woman was made for man, not the man for the woman. Woman is to be subject to her husband. This is how God made them and this order is good.

When this order is lost you have high wickedness as we can see and confirm today, despite the current wickedest generations in history trying to obliterate the power and knowledge and goodness of God with their wicked doctrines of rebellion like feminism, much like the Pharisees and Sadducees of old did the same. Yet they cannot change the truth of the Bible. No matter how many lies Satan breathes out, no matter how many women the old dragon tricks, as he did originally, no matter how many of the foolish and evil men that seducing eachother are corrupted by the wickedest women laden with sins, because God will always prevail and really just in the end God's judgement will sit.

You don't get it? Everything is of God. They're both made in the image and likeness of God. Before you think to teach people your perspective on the scripture you should get a handle on your disrespect for women! Your thinking them less than a man is not of God.

By one man sin entered the world! Ignore that at your peril. Adam was right there when Eve at the fruit. He was right there when the snake tempted her and did nothing to stop it. But man is superior? Man is the reason you need a savior. And you think only men can preach? After that?

You might want to check the science too. Women are superior to men in many ways.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

You don't get it? Everything is of God. They're both made in the image and likeness of God. Before you think to teach people your perspective on the scripture you should get a handle on your disrespect for women! Your thinking them less than a man is not of God.

By one man sin entered the world! Ignore that at your peril. Adam was right there when Eve at the fruit. He was right there when the snake tempted her and did nothing to stop it. But man is superior? Man is the reason you need a savior. And you think only men can preach? After that?

You might want to check the science too. Women are superior to men in many ways.

Lord God said and let us make man in our image and our likeness and give him the dominion over all the creation that Lord God made previously.

So God created man in his own image.

In the image of God created he him.

Male and female made God them.

And after God had created the creation, he saw there was not a man to till the ground.

So God formed the Man, Adam, out of the dust of the earth, and God breathed into his nostrils, and the man became living soul.

And God planted the Garden of Eden and put the man in the Garden. And God gave Man the blessing of the dominion of the creation. And God formed all the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and brought them to the Man to see what man would call them. The name he called them is their name.

But man named all the animals, but a helpmeet for man was not found for him.

So Lord God put the Man to sleep, and took of his flesh his rib and made woman and brought her to man.

Adam said "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

Therefore shall man leave his father and his mother and cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh. Which is the marriage said Lord Jesus.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and they were not ashamed.

This is the original way and what was good in the eyes of Lord God when he made the creation as recorded in Genesis 1 and 2 pertaining to the creations of man, and the creations of woman. Before the fall of the whole of the entirety of the creation in the next chapter due to the lies of the serpent to the woman and the man hearkening to the voice of the woman, but perhaps this post is long enough and it suffice anyone to simply read Genesis 3.