My OP shows exactly what scripture says without adding to it. Where does scripture expand John the Baptists' words in Acts? 12 were present and received what John said they would. Jesus later told the 12 they would receive the baptism. Phillip was one of several the apostles laid hands on, followed by his work with the same signs and wonders they did. Don't add to this or take away from God's word.
The Holy Spirit in Acts according to Acts
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Go save these guys Dave .. I'm not about to handle poisonous snakes or drink strychnine but I believe the scripture
the only people i believe who say God told me are those who i know personally or are living holy lives. but if some guy is watching the days of our lives and God tells him he is one of the two witnesses, sorry pal i wont believe it.
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Sign seekers. No sign is given . Believers walk by faith as the power of God in them .Not of them.The unseen.
The foundation of h20 baptism (old testament) must be first established . It is what the discussion was about in John 3:25 If we eliminate the foundation of the doctrines and like Davis said in the Psalms. What could the righteous that are guarding the faith of Christ do. Look at water baptism from a unknown foundation?
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.John3:25-26
The foundation of h20 baptism (old testament) must be first established . It is what the discussion was about in John 3:25 If we eliminate the foundation of the doctrines and like Davis said in the Psalms. What could the righteous that are guarding the faith of Christ do. Look at water baptism from a unknown foundation?
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.John3:25-26
The gospel is after no man to include the apostles. New meaning has been added to that word.(apostle).. destroying the use in many places.
The apostles as us today can plant the born again seed of faith as it is written and water it with the water of the word as the doctrine of God that fall like rain .
But Christ must perform the unseen work of baptism . Bringing those doctrine that do fall like rain inspired from above teaching us not to add to it as it is written or take away from it .
The apostles as us today can plant the born again seed of faith as it is written and water it with the water of the word as the doctrine of God that fall like rain .
But Christ must perform the unseen work of baptism . Bringing those doctrine that do fall like rain inspired from above teaching us not to add to it as it is written or take away from it .
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Nope.
Go back, read the scriptures every time the Holy Spirit is mentioned.
Go back, read the scriptures every time the Holy Spirit is mentioned.
The fundamental belief that the Holy Spirit is the one who regenerates the lost soul is critical to a proper soteriology. To assert that the Holy Spirit baptizes at a point after salvation is wrong in the extreme.
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Roger
The long ending of Mark 16 is not a good place to find doctrinal support. The long ending of Mark is thought to be of questionable origin. It is missing from many manuscripts having been examined thought to be from a writer other than Mark. Building doctrine on such contested scripture is unwise and not persuasive.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The long ending of Mark 16 is not a good place to find doctrinal support. The long ending of Mark is thought to be of questionable origin. It is missing from many manuscripts having been examined thought to be from a writer other than Mark. Building doctrine on such contested scripture is unwise and not persuasive.
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Roger[/QUOTE]
You’re just reading commentaries. You need to read ALL mention of Holy Spirit in scripture.
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You’re just reading commentaries. You need to read ALL mention of Holy Spirit in scripture.
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Sorry I did not mention any commentaries. I have given you sound doctrine and you reject it because it does not fit your notion that a baptism other than the new birth is required to be saved. Your soteriology is flawed.
A proper sound doctrinal knowledge of the Holy Spirit will let the air out of the Pentecostal charismatic balloon. The most important thing is that you have a sound knowledge of Christ and have the Holy Spirit who produces the new birth and creates the new man in Christ.
Salvation is a one step process. Believe on Christ and receive eternal life.
For the cause o fChrist
Roger
A proper sound doctrinal knowledge of the Holy Spirit will let the air out of the Pentecostal charismatic balloon. The most important thing is that you have a sound knowledge of Christ and have the Holy Spirit who produces the new birth and creates the new man in Christ.
Salvation is a one step process. Believe on Christ and receive eternal life.
For the cause o fChrist
Roger
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Acts 10:44-47 ESV
44. While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
45. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit
was poured out even on the Gentiles.
46. For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Them Peter declared,
47. “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
We in verse 47 refers back to the believers from among the circumcised in verse 45. Just as is the Greek word hos which means in the same manner as.
This means that Peter in verse 47 acknowledges that those believers from the circumcised who accompanied received the Holy Spirit in the same manner as Peter and those from the house of Cornelius.
Acts 15:6-9 ESV
6. The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.
7. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made
a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,
9. And he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.
Us in verse 8 refers back to brothers in verse 7 and apostles and elders in verse 6. Just as is the Greek word hos, which means in the same manner as.
Here Peter indicates that the elders to whom he was speaking also received the Holy Spirit in the same manner as the apostles and the house of Cornelius.
44. While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
45. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit
was poured out even on the Gentiles.
46. For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Them Peter declared,
47. “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
We in verse 47 refers back to the believers from among the circumcised in verse 45. Just as is the Greek word hos which means in the same manner as.
This means that Peter in verse 47 acknowledges that those believers from the circumcised who accompanied received the Holy Spirit in the same manner as Peter and those from the house of Cornelius.
Acts 15:6-9 ESV
6. The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.
7. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made
a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,
9. And he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.
Us in verse 8 refers back to brothers in verse 7 and apostles and elders in verse 6. Just as is the Greek word hos, which means in the same manner as.
Here Peter indicates that the elders to whom he was speaking also received the Holy Spirit in the same manner as the apostles and the house of Cornelius.
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Nope, again.
I NEVER said or mentioned anything to be required to be saved EXCEPT the Body and Blood of Yeshua/Jesus Christ and faith in HIM ALONE. However, AFTER being saved, the "works" of the Holy Spirit begin in every believer's life.
You keep trying to put me in a "pentecostal charasmatic" box. I'm neither. I just simply follow Christ being lead by the Holy Spirit. I do enjoy the charismatic spirit-filled non-denominational churches.
You're stuck in denominational doctrines and really need to go read your Bible.
A proper sound doctrinal knowledge of the Holy Spirit will only come from the scriptures NOT denominational doctrines. Go and actually READ FOR YOURSELF every time the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Holy Bible.
I NEVER said or mentioned anything to be required to be saved EXCEPT the Body and Blood of Yeshua/Jesus Christ and faith in HIM ALONE. However, AFTER being saved, the "works" of the Holy Spirit begin in every believer's life.
You keep trying to put me in a "pentecostal charasmatic" box. I'm neither. I just simply follow Christ being lead by the Holy Spirit. I do enjoy the charismatic spirit-filled non-denominational churches.
You're stuck in denominational doctrines and really need to go read your Bible.
A proper sound doctrinal knowledge of the Holy Spirit will only come from the scriptures NOT denominational doctrines. Go and actually READ FOR YOURSELF every time the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Holy Bible.
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