The Word became Flesh

[posthuman]

Space is not the absence of matter, it is the physical matter that is void of mass. Mass cannot exist without space

Space and matter are not the same things. They are independent.

Void 1 is space, sans matter/energy, void 0 is the nothingness into which space was stretched. Absence of space, if you like, or you could think of it as absence of creation, tho that would only be accurate in terms of the corporeal, (possibly?) not the spiritual.

It is not clear whether mass/energy can exist apart from within space.

 

[posthuman]

If you are trying to express it as being a 'vacuum', as in the vacuum of space,

Vacuum is a pressure measure. That's not the same thing as 'space'

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Vacuum is a pressure measure. That's not the same thing as 'space'

as in the vacuum of space

vacuum: a space entirely devoid of matter. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/vacuum

Vacuum is space devoid of matter. The word stems from the Latin adjective vacuus for "vacant" or "void".

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I am completely with you here. I perceive it to be flat out degrading and disrespectful.
I don't believe it may be Dino that should, not necessarily take a class, but read what Paul says about becoming high minded and puffed up in their knowledge.
That post was not scripture centered so zeal can not be a variable. It was just a plain out degrading post. It holds no goodness, humility, or edification.
Please, for the sake of the entire audience, humble yourself before you decide to post such degrading material, and your views of understanding will be more appreciated and attractive.
I'm not being mean in any way, but I don't see any other way to take a post like that but blatant ignorant disrespect.

personally, his spelling is the least of the problems with mr g

love it when a new person comes along and wants to play moderator

we have moderators for a reason and spanking people is not what they do

and btw, what do mean by saved somewhere in eternity past?

is that your bow to Calvinism or something else?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Do you honestly believe that a mortal man can find the invisible LORD? Do you believe that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him? I wonder what that reward would be, humm?

you know, Jeremiah seemed to think so

in fact, he spoke for God

he was speaking for God when he stated:

12Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. 13You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. 14I will be found by you, declares the LORD, and I will restore you from captivity and gather you from all the nations and places to which I have banished you, declares the LORD. I will restore you to the place from which I sent you into exile.”…
Jeremiah 29

do you believe what the prophet stated?

not interested in your smart donkey responses

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Space and matter are not the same things. They are independent.

I can't argue with you how you choose to define matter, but are you questioning the folks at CERN who tell us that invisible dark matter makes up most of the universe that we can only detect it from its gravitational effects? source: https://home.cern/science/physics/dark-matter

If I recall correctly, didn't these folks a few years back claimed that mass could travel faster that the speed of light;

"...they had recorded subatomic particles travelling faster than light, the world went into a frenzy. An experimental result that broke one of the most fundamental laws of physics..."​

Of course it was amazing how many members of the scientific community jumped on board with the announcement but as it was claimed:

" The team tried and tested every permutation of software, hardware, and theory that they could think of, and through every step, every bug they fixed, every increment of understanding they earned, the evidence for faster than light neutrinos stood as solid as the mountain above the experiment."​

But how many of them read the Bible, if they had then they would have heard what wasn't seen as written in
John 16:16-19. I think they figured it out @00:22 they would seen what was heard.

But in February, the OPERA team also discovered that a loose fiber optic cable had introduced a delay in their timing system that explained the effect. ​

Well, they had to come up with something to tell everyone.....

But as far as the dark matter, I hear if you go look up at midday described by Paul as being 6 hours after the beginning of evening and the morning of the day, you can look up and see all that dark matter they are talking about, but that is only when gravity has pulled the moon into the earth's atmosphere along with the sun, that way the great light which rules the night doesn't block the invisible dark matter from being seen.

 

[posthuman]

vacuum: a space entirely devoid of matter. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/vacuum

Vacuum is space devoid of matter. The word stems from the Latin adjective vacuus for "vacant" or "void".

i can have space with matter in it; i can have space with no matter in it.
i can have space with energy in it; i can space without energy in it.
vacuum is a measure of pressure, specifically, pressure in a space without matter/energy.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

not interested in your smart donkey responses

I know you prefer to hear what Balaam's smart donkey said, but the LORD opened the donkeys mouth but don't tell me you honestly think the donkey spoke do you, OMG.

do you believe what the prophet stated?

So you came to the knowledge of the the truth on your own, so you believe the prophet?

"And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet,..."
Ezek 14:9

But you left off what the LORD said,

Then you will call upon Me

Yes I believe the word of the LORD, "I will come to you." John 14:18

You vowed not to speak to me ever again, but I guess if you had to prove how someone can come to the knowledge of the truth own their own, then you are definitely a better man than me, of course don't think too much of if you haven't read Matthew 19:4, or do you believe him.

 

[posthuman]

I can't argue with you how you choose to define matter, but are you questioning the folks at CERN who tell us that invisible dark matter makes up most of the universe that we can only detect it from its gravitational effects? source: https://home.cern/science/physics/dark-matter

yes i'm familiar with all that. i studied physics for 6 years in university.

yes, i do not agree with the publication majority on the scope of 'dark matter/energy'
i have no doubt that there are sources of mass and energies that are as yet undiscovered and all you have to do is ask Heisenberg whether there are things in creation which cannot be measured by physical means. CERN is engaged in searching for theorized particles whose existence could explain only a small fraction of the so-called 'missing' matter.

you have to understand that there are a string of physical assumptions and inferences behind this cosmological view, all of which are subject to dispute. you should also understand that the seed of this line of thinking is in our current understanding of gravity being unable to accurately model galaxy-scale structure and observations of & around certain classes of super-massive objects. couple this with the fact that gravity is the force that stymies quantum dynamics with relativistic mechanics being described together in a GUT.
we don't understand gravity. we don't understand light. we don't understand mass or space itself. our cosmological models are still crude, and they fall short by a staggering percentage in explaining what we see. that doesn't mean necessarily that 97% of physical creation is invisible.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

vacuum is a measure of pressure, specifically, pressure in a space without matter/energy.

You pull a vacuum with a pump which draws out atoms within a confined space to reduce the pressure, but a vacuum is not the way you measure atmospheric pressure, that is called a barometer. Geez.

So if space doesn't physically exist then how do you determine the volume or size of nothing.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

yes i'm familiar with all that. i studied physics for 6 years in university.

No way, well maybe, how many credit hours 3?

 

[posthuman]

If I recall correctly, didn't these folks a few years back claimed that mass could travel faster that the speed of light;
"...they had recorded subatomic particles travelling faster than light, the world went into a frenzy. An experimental result that broke one of the most fundamental laws of physics..."Of course it was amazing how many members of the scientific community jumped on board with the announcement but as it was claimed:
" The team tried and tested every permutation of software, hardware, and theory that they could think of, and through every step, every bug they fixed, every increment of understanding they earned, the evidence for faster than light neutrinos stood as solid as the mountain above the experiment."But how many of them read the Bible, if they had then they would have heard what wasn't seen as written in
John 16:16-19.

is it weird to tell someone they must be ignorant to disagree with CERN and then in the next breath disparage CERN ? lol


how do you see John 16:16-19 to be informing us about the speed of light?
do you think Jesus is photons?

 

[posthuman]

No way, well maybe, how many credit hours 3?

there's a lot of crossover with the math department; both together i dunno something like 250-300 total, but i've done probably 10 years of math?

more than 3, lol. general physics is a 4 credit class, technical is 5

 

[posthuman]

You pull a vacuum with a pump which draws out atoms within a confined space to reduce the pressure, but a vacuum is not the way you measure atmospheric pressure, that is called a barometer. Geez.

when you've pulled all the atoms out of your Bell jar, you've got what's called a vacuum. there is still what's called 'space' in the jar.

So if space doesn't physically exist then how do you determine the volume or size of nothing.

space not being the same as matter/energy doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

i can tape off a vacant lot in a city easily enough -- don't see the problem?

 

[UnoiAmarah]

there's a lot of crossover with the math department; both together i dunno something like 250-300 total, but i've done probably 10 years of math?

more than 3, lol. general physics is a 4 credit class, technical is 5

I apologize, that was poor attempt at a joke. Yeah I have seen some of your posts regarding math, I would be happy to know just the things you have forgotten, there are some math questions I have which I don't know how to begin to come up with the solution for.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

when you've pulled all the atoms out of your Bell jar, you've got what's called a vacuum. there is still what's called 'space' in the jar.

Right because a vacuum pump cannot draw out mass which atoms are bonded together with a greater cohesion attraction than the amount of force of the vacuum produced by the pump, that is why the atoms of the glass aren't drawn in.

That is what I am saying, space by itself is not nothingness, it is a field of matter, which has no mass, or rather it is a form of light. While the term matter once defined only things which had mass, that was due to the view that everything which exists in the world consisted of mass. Since the argument that visible light is known and observed therefore it must physical exist, the concept of matter existing which does not have mass, such a the photon, I think the term matter will eventually consist of a flow chart with the two natures of matter, one having mass and the other without mass. Sounds like the yin and yang duality, even the star of David the pyramid up and the pyramid down expressing the two natures of reality. Anyways

 

[garee]

You pull a vacuum with a pump which draws out atoms within a confined space to reduce the pressure, but a vacuum is not the way you measure atmospheric pressure, that is called a barometer. Geez.

So if space doesn't physically exist then how do you determine the volume or size of nothing.

They are determined by the commandment. Water go no further, mountain that's high enough. God who is of one mind always does whatsoever his soul pleases.

Heavens (plural) as space is given different kind of purposes. One to govern the spiritual things on earth subject to salvation. . . the other the physical laws the universe.

Deuteronomy 32:1-3 King James Version (KJV)Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.

No mention of the heavens above earth, that space was reserved for another purpose unto the last day

 

[posthuman]

Right because a vacuum pump cannot draw out mass which atoms are bonded together with a greater cohesion attraction than the amount of force of the vacuum produced by the pump, that is why the atoms of the glass aren't drawn in.

pumps move mass; air has mass.

what are you thinking the air molecules in a Bell jar are bonded to? the sides of the glass?
we can't practically create a space with no particles because we can't build a box that can keep all particles out. we need a really strong box to stop it from collapsing under the pressure differential, and it has to be ridiculously impermeable, to keep high-energy things from entering it, creating pressure inside. a vacuum, even true vacuum, is by definition a space with no matter in it. it's still space, not matter. matter is baryonic or non-baryonic, mass or energy. space is a place. something distance is measured on, not weight or inertia.

 

[posthuman]

I think the term matter will eventually consist of a flow chart with the two natures of matter, one having mass and the other without mass.

we've already got that. baryonic vs. non-baryonic matter.

photons act like they have mass; they have head-on collisions with known masses, imparting inertia to them just like a regular particle collision. it's because of their apparent velocity that they're thought not to have any -- this duality is expressed in quantum mechanics; every particle has wave form too. it's thought but not yet known that every wave form probably has a particle counterpart, too: that's why places like CERN and others build crazy elaborate equipment to try to detect things like Higgs bosons or gravitons - things theorized, but unproven, and unknown.
whcih goes back to the 'dark matter' question -- even if all the theorized particle counterparts ((a.k.a. 'carrier particles')) for all the forces are found, they'd hardly put a dent in reconciling the difference between how our most modern, advanced physics calculates how the universe ought to move & be shaped vs. how it is observed to move and be shaped.
there's things we don't understand about what we observe, and about the very process of observation. it's my opinion that the better explainable part of the 'missing mater' would be explained if we knew the true 'equation' of creation. if we had not just 'a' GUT, but 'the' GUT. it's also my opinion that there would still be evidence of an physically inexplicable force holding the universe together and causing it to exist. because God ultimately upholds it, as He said. it doesn't exist without Him. i think the subject of what separates void 0 from void 1 is one of the places where that will be most apparent. void 1 is space without matter. void 0 is void without space. space, and time also, are created - void 0 is what we call void without creation in it -- without existence in it; God is not void: God IS.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

matter is baryonic or non-baryonic, mass or energy.

Really, so why do they say that the universe is composed up of 73% dark energy, 23% non-baryonic matter and 4% of baryonic matter? But that's rhetorical because I follow the Biblical cosmology because their are many mansions in the heaven above and the days of the flesh in this one are short. Besides, those numbers are represent the general composition of the firmament after the waters were divided from the waters resulting in a 74, 24, 1.5 ratio of 100%.

While now the numbers are something like 78, 21, 1 of 100%, which is one of those math questions I had since the volume of 100% are not the same in the two different readings, so the 74 didn't increase to 78 because 24 decreased to 21 since the volume of the 100% for the two are not the same. If the amount of actual % loss can then be divided to find out the yearly loss then it could be determined how long is left before the 2nd number would reach 0.

But I digress, but all these new world sciences have lead to is a generation of the Helen Kellerized intellectuals that can't see what they hear being spoken is saying that they can't hear if they could see. If we lived in the ancient days, Stephen Hawking would have been the foreskin king after intellectually circumcising those who were willing to believe that only the believers in the scriptures were being deceived.

This is a except from a Newsweek article published on 3/14/18

An infrared switch that was attached to Hawking's glasses would detect movement he made with his cheek that would stop the cursor or mouse from moving on the screen. The program allowed Hawking to move his cheek to stop the cursor that automatically scanned a keypad, he wrote on his website. After he had the first few characters of a word selected, the computer could usually predict what word he was going for based on studies of his past speeches and books. ​

But I guess if one believes that Helen Keller could overcome her physical disabilities and develop the ability to speak then what would be any reason not to believe she could learn how to read and write.

God is not void: God IS.

What existed before your God?

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