The Word became Flesh
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The fool places no value in the LORD's word, nor what truth is wisdom, which is principal thing, but without merely get words without knowledge, cause they can't hear the principle.
Like asking why a fool has a price in his hand, they don't, neither would they received the LORD's word because the Gospel has no value to them, so if it is given away for free what should they put any of the substance into it Yet the LORD's word isn't sold, but freely given so that if can be freely received.
3 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. 1 Thess 2:13
Received it as in truth? so what do the Bible say about receiving the truth? Proverb 23 if I recall correctly.
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. John 13:20. Do you know how the sower receives what was freely given to him from above?
And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given. 5 For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath. 26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
Mark 4:24-26
Like asking why a fool has a price in his hand, they don't, neither would they received the LORD's word because the Gospel has no value to them, so if it is given away for free what should they put any of the substance into it Yet the LORD's word isn't sold, but freely given so that if can be freely received.
3 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. 1 Thess 2:13
Received it as in truth? so what do the Bible say about receiving the truth? Proverb 23 if I recall correctly.
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. John 13:20. Do you know how the sower receives what was freely given to him from above?
And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given. 5 For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath. 26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
Mark 4:24-26
You sure it was Solomon I quoted? If you think the scripture is the word of God, then why would you think I quoted a mortal man. After all it is written that he who is of God hears the words of God, but I digress.
Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it? Prov 17:16
So you believe that says there is a price in the hand of a fool?
So when they came to inquire of him regarding tribute money, asking Shall we give, or shall we not give?
Yet did they have a price in their hands to receive the truth from him? Of course not, they put no value in the things of God.
But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it. And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
So whose image and superscription did you say it was? Oh yeah that's right, it was a hypothetical question. So do you know what happened to the penny they let him see, well if you would have said the Son of man then you would know.
So what is in your hand?
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. - Jesus
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. - the LORD
Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it? Prov 17:16
So you believe that says there is a price in the hand of a fool?
So when they came to inquire of him regarding tribute money, asking Shall we give, or shall we not give?
Yet did they have a price in their hands to receive the truth from him? Of course not, they put no value in the things of God.
But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it. And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
So whose image and superscription did you say it was? Oh yeah that's right, it was a hypothetical question. So do you know what happened to the penny they let him see, well if you would have said the Son of man then you would know.
So what is in your hand?
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. - Jesus
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. - the LORD
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i was trying to help you save face by not explicitly pointing out that you're contradicting God. however not being lax, i intimated it by using the word 'scripture' ((see post #185))
however noting you have taken exception to my kindness, for your sake i will be more blunt, then:
you seem to have written your own version of the word of God which says instead,
Why is this -- a price in the hand of a fool to buy wisdom, and a heart there is none?
(Proverbs 17:16 YLT)
however noting you have taken exception to my kindness, for your sake i will be more blunt, then:
you seem to have written your own version of the word of God which says instead,
the fool does not have the price of wisdom, so God is stupid to ask why because they just don't
(UnoiArmah 17:16)
i am wondering if this is published somewhere? -
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I am not contradicting the scripture, what I said might contradict your interpretation of the scripture but then again I am not the one trying to save face here since no prophesy of scripture is of any private interpretation.
The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:28
That is the pinnacle of arrogance to claim that any interpretation contrary to your interpretation is contradicting God.
Did you forget you published it in https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-word-became-flesh.190732/page-10#post-4193763.
Do you not believe in truth?
The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:28
That is the pinnacle of arrogance to claim that any interpretation contrary to your interpretation is contradicting God.
Did you forget you published it in https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-word-became-flesh.190732/page-10#post-4193763.
Do you not believe in truth?
Your previous comments, or rather the foaming and gnashing of your teeth, are indicative of the spirit within you. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Is it not written, O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Actually you are the one saying something preexisted God because you asked me what preexisted my God and I said the eternal One.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
Actually you are the one saying something preexisted God because you asked me what preexisted my God and I said the eternal One.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
no i'm wondering if your entire revision of the Bible is someplace i can read it?
look mate, Proverbs 17:16 isn't prophecy. it's a question, containing two statements of juxtaposed fact, pointing to an irony, encouraging those who seek wisdom to apply themselves to understanding why these two truths are coexistent.
two facts:
one question:
you said:
that's a direct contradiction of fact # 1 presented in the scripture.
this isn't some 'difficult to interpret grey-area' prophecy being made; it's point-blank declarations of fact. a fool has the price of wisdom in hand, yet has no heart.
the difficulty of this saying isn't the facts. there's not room to argue them. the difficulty is the question: "why is this?"
to answer that, to actually find wisdom, we ought to understand what that price is, and what it means that this fool who has that price does not have a heart.
but in the case of a person who rejects knowledge, who says the word of God here is false, that no fool has the cost of wisdom, there is no way to arrive at understanding by rejecting the truth that's plainly written for us.
you should just own up to your mistake.
anyway, i made a whole thread about this verse because it's an interesting topic, and it's obviously not going anywhere here in this discussion. it's actually getting somewhere there; feel free to join in.
link: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/what-is-the-price-of-wisdom.190955/
cheers
look mate, Proverbs 17:16 isn't prophecy. it's a question, containing two statements of juxtaposed fact, pointing to an irony, encouraging those who seek wisdom to apply themselves to understanding why these two truths are coexistent.
Why is this --
a price in the hand of a fool to buy wisdom, and a heart there is none?
(Proverbs 17:16 YLT)
two facts:
- a fool has the cost of wisdom
- a fool has not the heart
one question:
- why?
you said:
that's a direct contradiction of fact # 1 presented in the scripture.
this isn't some 'difficult to interpret grey-area' prophecy being made; it's point-blank declarations of fact. a fool has the price of wisdom in hand, yet has no heart.
the difficulty of this saying isn't the facts. there's not room to argue them. the difficulty is the question: "why is this?"
to answer that, to actually find wisdom, we ought to understand what that price is, and what it means that this fool who has that price does not have a heart.
but in the case of a person who rejects knowledge, who says the word of God here is false, that no fool has the cost of wisdom, there is no way to arrive at understanding by rejecting the truth that's plainly written for us.
you should just own up to your mistake.
anyway, i made a whole thread about this verse because it's an interesting topic, and it's obviously not going anywhere here in this discussion. it's actually getting somewhere there; feel free to join in.
link: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/what-is-the-price-of-wisdom.190955/
cheers