Has the second coming occurred already?

[Jimbone]

I think you’re taking too much of a legalistic view of things. Is there anything I stated that isn’t true? Is not Israel hated? Are the Levite’s not pursuing a Temple? Does the world not despise God?

God does what He said He would do. If a 3rd is Temple is for His will to be done, then it will be built. Don’t take my word for it, take His for it was proclaimed by the Prophets long ago.

Okay, I guess if your whole case goes opposite of everything else written then there's no problem. Really? Then I gather we should just ignore it because....? Because you assert it to be true with no backing it up? All I've really gotten from your side of this is "I believe it, don't question anything, this is why I don't even think about your questions let alone pay you the respect of actually engaging them even though you have responded to my points, which I then just write off and ignore never to address again anyway" Then end you end with "If a 3rd is Temple is for His will to be done, then it will be built." Really, man? do you not understand this was the very thing we were discussing? He has written His will down for us and the most noble search the scriptures daily to see if these things were true, and what His will is, and when I read that word I don't see what your talking about, but do see what I'm proclaiming. I believe this to be truth and that's why I'm here talking about it, because I believe it to be truth I have to share it otherwise I hate you, but I also want to get your point of view to gain a broader perspective, but I'm also going to call it how I see it, I hope it's not too harsh.

 

[Jimbone]

I think you’re taking too much of a legalistic view of things. Is there anything I stated that isn’t true? Is not Israel hated? Are the Levite’s not pursuing a Temple? Does the world not despise God?

God does what He said He would do. If a 3rd is Temple is for His will to be done, then it will be built. Don’t take my word for it, take His for it was proclaimed by the Prophets long ago.

One more point you missed, even if the Levite’s built a temple that God has not commanded built, then it's just a temple. God's temple has served it's purpose. Has it not? You're not reading what I'm writing, or thinking about what I'm saying here? I've already made this point and it was never addressed and now the same thing over. So what if men built there own house?

 

[Aerials1978]

Okay, I guess if your whole case goes opposite of everything else written then there's no problem. Really? Then I gather we should just ignore it because....? Because you assert it to be true with no backing it up? All I've really gotten from your side of this is "I believe it, don't question anything, this is why I don't even think about your questions let alone pay you the respect of actually engaging them even though you have responded to my points, which I then just write off and ignore never to address again anyway" Then end you end with "If a 3rd is Temple is for His will to be done, then it will be built." Really, man? do you not understand this was the very thing we were discussing? He has written His will down for us and the most noble search the scriptures daily to see if these things were true, and what His will is, and when I read that word I don't see what your talking about, but do see what I'm proclaiming. I believe this to be truth and that's why I'm here talking about it, because I believe it to be truth I have to share it otherwise I hate you, but I also want to get your point of view to gain a broader perspective, but I'm also going to call it how I see it, I hope it's not too harsh.

It’s seems like you want to be argumentative about it. There also a way of applying scripture to reality, even into moderns times. Again I think you’re being too legalistic about some things.

 

[bojack]

I believe Israel will build another temple but it will not be what they think

 

[Aerials1978]

I believe Israel will build another temple but it will not be what they think

Correct. The Temple is the body of the Believer.

 

[Jimbone]

It’s seems like you want to be argumentative about it. There also a way of applying scripture to reality, even into moderns times. Again I think you’re being too legalistic about some things.

I honestly don't understand why you're saying I'm being legalistic? Do you mean by saying that in order for a temple to be God's temple that God must command it built? I don''t think you're using "legalistic" in the correct way. I'm also sorry you think I'm just trying to be "argumentative" about such an important truth. Again I know I'm a strait shooter and very blunt with my wording, but I have done everything I possibly could to try to temper that each time to show I'm just sharing what I believe to be the truth. If I've offended you in any way I apologize, but can't help but note that still too this point I still haven't seen anyone address the HUGE points I've put forth here, nor have I even seen anyone supporting their cases with His word here. Again to be clear I'm not saying that they can't support it with scripture, I'm just saying that in the conversations I'm in i haven't seen either of these taking place, plus I think it's a bit telling.

Also, now I'm being "argumentative", when I think I've bent over backwards to be as polite as possible? Then again that is kind of what we're doing here right? Debating a topic? Plus I know how unpopular what I'm saying is, but I'm following not leading and do what He leads me to. Maybe I'm just not as far off the mark as you think, but please know all I'm trying to do is what we are all doing, I also value your input and will try to be extra careful not to sound so...ummm...??Mean I guess?? But thank you for my very first red "X", I felt bad I'd given 10 but never received one. I disagree with you too.

 

[Jimbone]

Actually that's not true, there hasn't been much put forth to disagree

I believe Israel will build another temple but it will not be what they think

If this is true then how could it be desecrated? The Abomination of Desolation takes place in Gods temple, does it not?

 

[bojack]

Actually that's not true, there hasn't been much put forth to disagree

If this is true then how could it be desecrated? The Abomination of Desolation takes place in Gods temple, does it not?

I think it will be two fold bad news for the world when it happens and why it happens . I don't think anybody can put God in a man made temple no matter how well intentioned they are .. I do think it is prophetic .. The other will be the mark of the beast which will be taken willfully into the body ''temple'' of an individual .. What do you think , I may question but I will listen

 

[JohnR7]

chapter 24 from Matthew’s Gospel

We need to look at verse 24:3: "While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?” They were asking TWO (2) questions. When would the temple be destroyed and what would be the sign of His coming AND the end of the age. Maybe this is three questions. And can mean that these events are connected or it can also mean they are two separate events. We need to realize He is answering these questions at the same time. One is a archetype or a shadow and a type of the other. The church represents the temple. We are the temple of God.

Most people believe that when a believer dies they are raptured out of here. That is they leave their physical body behind and their spiritual body is taken up to be with Jesus in Heaven. This is different from the resurrection when their physical body is raised up from the elements and made alive again. It could be that the individual atoms that make us up store our memory.

The pre trib rapture is a secret rapture. It could be there is a nuclear war where many people are killed. So a large group of people would be taken up to heaven at once. We know the events that take place at the end of the tribulation and the middle but we are not real clear on the beginning and what events put us into the tribulation period.

We see this in Daniel 9:27 "And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering." It is believed that this week that Daniel is talking about is a seven year period of time. This will begin when they take control of the temple mount. They will set up a tent or a tabernacle and begin the animal sacrifices. Then they will also set up the corner stone and begin to build the temple. The temple will be finished half way through at 3 1/2 years. But we are told there will never be any sacrifices in the temple and they will be cut off. "in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering."

At the end of the 7 year period will be the battle of armageddon. The army will be ready to attach the city to take them under control. They will use weapons to destroy this army. We are told: "For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched." (Isaiah 66:24) This is when Jesus returns. He will rule and reign here on the Earth for 1,000 years. "On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south." (Zechariah 14:4) We know this is a literal event because we can see the fault lines on the Mount of Olives so we can see where this earthquake is going to take place.

 

[Runningman]

"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather." Matthew 24:24-28

Meaning that there will be people claiming to be Christ or others saying "look over there He's back!" However, when He does return it will unmistakable because as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. We won't miss it when it happens.

 

[JohnR7]

If this is true then how could it be desecrated? The Abomination of Desolation takes place in Gods temple, does it not?

Yes this is a reference to Titus. There is still the arch of Titus in Rome that shows he carried off the treasures from the temple. There is a plaque in the coliseum that says they used the building stones from the temple to built that structure.

 

[bojack]

"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather." Matthew 24:24-28

Meaning that there will be people claiming to be Christ or others saying "look over there He's back!" However, when He does return it will unmistakable because as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. We won't miss it when it happens.

I agree and I think each generation since Paul taught ''the mystery of iniquity is now at work'' has been on watch .. Each generation has come to their own end and only one will be alive at the final curtain .. Imagine what some folks thought about Hitler and his german Mark ..

 

[JohnR7]

If this is true then how could it be desecrated? The Abomination of Desolation takes place in Gods temple, does it not?

Yes this is a reference to Titus. There is still the arch of Titus in Rome that shows he carried off there treasures from the temple. There is a plaque in the colosseum that says they used the building stones from the temple to built that structure.

 

[Jimbone]

Yes this is a reference to Titus. There is still the arch of Titus in Rome that shows he carried off there treasures from the temple. There is a plaque in the colosseum that says they used the building stones from the temple to built that structure.

I'm sorry I don't see how what you are saying fits in the conversation we were having at all. The point I'm making is so simple, Our Creator God, in His plan of redemption for the whole world involved a temple where He dwelt with His people, all pointing to Jesus ultimate work on the cross to redeem everything. His temple served it's purpose and was removed from the earth. So now because of AWESOME Jesus we can now be reconciled to the Father, spiritually resurrected and reconnected to Him as we were made to be, finally filling the hole the flesh never could, praise His name!!! He has finished the work and another temple on earth like that just doesn't make sense at all to go backwards, and it has to be Gods temple, if Jews build a temple on their own accord it will not be Gods temple. I mean right?

 

[Jimbone]

I think it will be two fold bad news for the world when it happens and why it happens . I don't think anybody can put God in a man made temple no matter how well intentioned they are .. I do think it is prophetic .. The other will be the mark of the beast which will be taken willfully into the body ''temple'' of an individual .. What do you think , I may question but I will listen

Yes me too, I want to have a conversation back and forth, that's how we learn and grow, and my view has changed way too much to hold anyone to anything too hard.

 

[Aerials1978]

I'm sorry I don't see how what you are saying fits in the conversation we were having at all. The point I'm making is so simple, Our Creator God, in His plan of redemption for the whole world involved a temple where He dwelt with His people, all pointing to Jesus ultimate work on the cross to redeem everything. His temple served it's purpose and was removed from the earth. So now because of AWESOME Jesus we can now be reconciled to the Father, spiritually resurrected and reconnected to Him as we were made to be, finally filling the hole the flesh never could, praise His name!!! He has finished the work and another temple on earth like that just doesn't make sense at all to go backwards, and it has to be Gods temple, if Jews build a temple on their own accord it will not be Gods temple. I mean right?

What if the Temple is where Christ will be seated during His 1000 reign? I’m not understanding this hostility you seem to have about it. After all Zechariah proclaims:

It is he who will build the temple of the LORD, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.'
Zechariah 6:13

 

[bojack]

Yes this is a reference to Titus. There is still the arch of Titus in Rome that shows he carried off the treasures from the temple. There is a plaque in the coliseum that says they used the building stones from the temple to built that structure.

That is history and I almost am too, sprinting faster to my earthly grave every day in this worn out old body waiting on Jesus return ....
Nothing much left to see in this life for me .. But I keep watching

 

[Whispered]

No, He was speaking of the creation in Adam?! All those eyes would see him!!

That never ever had anything to do with me and you. Bringing forth the first born unto the resurrection of the dead, was a promise to the faithful of old covenant Israel!

I find it sad how lost the church has really become. But I can just say what I can!!

I wonder if anyone else here has noticed? Before, as someone mentioned back then, we had a seeming influx of new members who could not write in anything but broken English. Remember?
Now, we have an influx of new members who have another thing in common. They, each one who makes a thread or enters one, but mostly they create threads, and then argue what is actually contrary to the scripture subject they intend to open a discussion on. Each and every one espouses doctrine that isn't actually true contextually accurate scripture.

And the other commonality? Pretty much all, if not all in fact, claim to be messengers or teachers here to teach us. And when we balk at their false narrative and corruption of scripture, they deflect with an excuse that makes it our fault that we don't follow their line of thought.

Anyone else noticed this pattern?

 

[Whispered]

I'm sorry I don't see how what you are saying fits in the conversation we were having at all. The point I'm making is so simple, Our Creator God, in His plan of redemption for the whole world involved a temple where He dwelt with His people, all pointing to Jesus ultimate work on the cross to redeem everything. His temple served it's purpose and was removed from the earth. So now because of AWESOME Jesus we can now be reconciled to the Father, spiritually resurrected and reconnected to Him as we were made to be, finally filling the hole the flesh never could, praise His name!!! He has finished the work and another temple on earth like that just doesn't make sense at all to go backwards, and it has to be Gods temple, if Jews build a temple on their own accord it will not be Gods temple. I mean right?

What about, instead of thinking in terms of the temple referred to as a physical structure after Jesus' second coming, what if, since Jesus was/is God, the temple being referred to is the entire planet as the foundation for the temple itself. And that temple is all people who live with both their hearts and minds on God. Because we today as indwelt Christians are, as scripture tells us, the temple of the Holy.
Therefore, what if the temple is the world's people all as that one fold, flock, that Jesus spoke of in the New Testament. It's not a structure of brick and mortar, but rather is a structure made by God and alive in the spirit of God.

 

[JohnR7]

Nothing much left to see in this life for me

We have plenty to learn and plenty to help people along the way. I want to take as many people to heaven as I can. I want to do as much as I can to help people receive the comfort that God has for them.