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TheDivineWatermark said:
"How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?" -

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm

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ALL 73 occurrences of the word "ISRAEL" in the NT ALL mean "ISRAEL"

Note especially (in the article at link) the entries covering: Romans 9:6, Romans 11:26, Galatians 6:16 and Ephesians 2:12... the most oft-misapplied [/-misunderstood] verses on this Subject.
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But Paul and Matthew define it as applying only to Jesus and believers.
 
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watchman333 said:
There was no real appetite, prior to Hitler seizing power, for them to leave the European nation they were situated in.
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The debate in the religious "Jewish" community had to do with timing. They are waiting for their Messiah to return first to establish Israel as a nation. Some in their community believe they should not do this themselves ahead of His return. Once they became a nation everyone accepted that and they no longer debated the subject.
 
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How antichrist it is to think the promised land could be possessed by force.
 
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Dave-L said:
Use the bible and know the truth.
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From what you've shown in your posts, you wouldn't know truth if it was right in front of your face, you're anti-truth .. LOLOL ..
 
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bojack said:
From what you've shown in your posts, you wouldn't know truth if it was right in front of your face, you're anti-truth .. LOLOL ..
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I use scripture, not the media. I walk by faith in God's word, not by sight presented by the media.
 
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Dave-L said:
Use the bible and know the truth.
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Oh, that's right .. God can't do anything without your approval .. You're like a Jew yourself in unbelief
 
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Dave-L said:
I use scripture, not the media. I walk by faith in God's word, not by sight presented by the media.
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The closest you can come is trying to suck life from Christians who have a testimony ..
 
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bojack said:
Oh, that's right .. God can't do anything without your approval .. You're like a Jew yourself in unbelief
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You need to study the bible on the issue, not Hal Lindsey and the media.
 
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bojack said:
The closest you can come is trying to suck life from Christians who have a testimony ..
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How valuable is the testimony if it contradicts scripture.
 
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Dave-L said:
But Paul and Matthew define it as applying only to Jesus and believers.
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No, that is to misunderstand the point Paul is making in Romans 2:28 (in Paul's SECTION covering "Israel" [and in a DIFFERENT section is covering "the Gentiles" and then has his CONCLUSION in chpt 3 that NO ONE is righteous...])...

so in the SECTION re: ISRAEL, Paul in Rom2:28 is speaking WHOLLY and ONLY of "JEWS"... "he is a Jew, which IS ONE *inwardly*" (this is NOT covering "the Gentiles" here AT ALL [that is a separate SECTION, where he covers those]. IOW, in this verse, Paul is not saying "a saved GENTILE *BECOMES* a Jew!)
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
No, that is to misunderstand the point Paul is making in Romans 2:28 (in Paul's SECTION covering "Israel" [and in a DIFFERENT section is covering "the Gentiles" and then has his CONCLUSION in chpt 3 that NO ONE is righteous...])...

so in the SECTION re: ISRAEL, Paul in Rom2:28 is speaking WHOLLY and ONLY of "JEWS"... "he is a Jew, which IS ONE *inwardly*" (this is NOT covering "the Gentiles" here AT ALL [that is a separate SECTION, where he covers those]. IOW, in this verse, Paul is not saying "a saved GENTILE *BECOMES* a Jew!)
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Circumcision made many gentiles Jews.
 
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bojack said:
Jesus made the promises and His blood is on many Jewish hands ..
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“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (KJV 1900)
 
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Dave-L said:
“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (KJV 1900)
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So , you act as if you wrote scripture, you didn't .. Is that one any different than the ones you explain away ?
 
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bojack said:
So , you act as if you wrote scripture, you didn't .. Is that one any different than the ones you explain away ?
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But we can easily become a false prophet if we are mistaken about this.
 
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Dave-L said:
But we can easily become a false prophet if we are mistaken about this.
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HELLO , are you a gatherer or a scatterer .. You're a wannabe .. If you want opposition go out and take Jesus to the drug infested streets ..
 
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bojack said:
HELLO , are you a gatherer or a scatterer .. You're a wannabe .. If you want opposition go out and take Jesus to the drug infested streets ..
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Since when is putting scripture above the media being a scatterer?
 
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TabinRivCA said:
All you have to do is watch the series 'Against All Odds' to see God's hand in helping the Jewish troops win each battle, 'against all odds'. They are true miracles that occurred giving victory to Israel.
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I would offer. God is no longer bringing any new revelations to confirm his work . He washed his hands of using one nation to represent unbelief in mankind. This is when he said "it is finished" .

The abomination of desolation. . . corrupted human form in the holy place unseen place of faith.

The temporal time period of pagan Kings in Israel was used as a parable or warning. It had come to the fulness of time. The veil was rent .The time of reformation came restoring the government of God in respect to the work of the Father and Son to another time period before kings in Israel .When men walked by faith the unseen eternal.

The beginning of a great tribulation of the last days that we are in. One like never before or ever again. Religion, using the temporal corrupted, lost its value to be used to show faithlessness . Men continue even today to look for a face they can add as a comforting witness as if God was a man .

Neither human eye has seen or ear heard the secret things he has set aside for his children the mysteries or understanding.

That can be seen in Jesus hiding the spiritual understanding in parables to teach us how to walk by faith.
 
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